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October 14, 2014
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Count me among the new and satisfied TPE'ers. Okay, I may have final tabled on any given day before signing up, but placing third I attribute to what I'm starting to learn here at TPE. And I've only begun to scratch the surface. These are the types of hands I'm hoping to get better value from as I accumulate more TPE wisdom
October 14, 2014
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Here's the hand
October 14, 2014
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PokerStars Hand #123420016629: Tournament #998259566, €1.80+€0.20 EUR Hold'em No Limit – Level I (10/20) – 2014/10/18 3:01:32 CET [2014/10/17 21:01:32 ET]
Table '998259566 2' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Clapton68 (2900 in chips)
Seat 2: s357s (3780 in chips)
Seat 3: djgolhum (3000 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
Seat 4: T1KieTmeK (2320 in chips)
Seat 6: jcosme (3000 in chips)
Seat 7: atlanticfil (3000 in chips)
Seat 8: DiLoC94 (3000 in chips)
Seat 9: til two (3000 in chips)
T1KieTmeK: posts small blind 10
jcosme: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to til two [Ac Jd]
atlanticfil: folds
DiLoC94: folds
til two: raises 40 to 60
Clapton68: folds
s357s: folds
T1KieTmeK: calls 50
jcosme: folds
*** FLOP *** [2c Jh Qh]
T1KieTmeK: bets 120
til two: calls 120
*** TURN *** [2c Jh Qh] [Qc]
T1KieTmeK: bets 80
til two: calls 80
*** RIVER *** [2c Jh Qh Qc] [8d]
T1KieTmeK: bets 140
til two: calls 140
*** SHOW DOWN ***
T1KieTmeK: shows [Kd 6c] (a pair of Queens)
til two: shows [Ac Jd] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
til two collected 820 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 820 | Rake 0
Board [2c Jh Qh Qc 8d]
Seat 1: Clapton68 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: s357s (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: T1KieTmeK (small blind) showed [Kd 6c] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: jcosme (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: atlanticfil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DiLoC94 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: til two showed [Ac Jd] and won (820) with two pair, Queens
September 14, 2014
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IMO you played it fine.
Just wondering though if anyone thinks raising turn/river here is good? It's just that i don't see v calling with anything that we've got beat (if we did raise) so i think calling river is fine as played.
August 4, 2014
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Looks like he doesnt have a lot of idea, the guy obviously doesnt know about TPE 🙂 But even then, I dont see him call this with air, although he looks like the type of guy who would call with any pair on the river lol. I think you got max value here already.
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December 6, 2012
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Glad to hear you're enjoying TPE. I would likely have played this same. Turn is definitely not a raise. River maybe, but probably not.
December 28, 2012
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Foucault said:
Glad to hear you're enjoying TPE. I would likely have played this same. Turn is definitely not a raise. River maybe, but probably not.
Hi Andrew,
Any chance you could elaborate here?
Do you check behind on the turn if he checks? I mean, his bet is so small it's effectively a check (sure, some % of the time he'll be trying to induce a raise from us but as a default I'm putting this in the effective check category) – could he be trying to see a cheap river with his draws / could he be trying to steer a marginal (a worse jack?) to showdown? In both instances, could we not raise small for value?
I'm interested to know why the river is more of a raise than the turn?
In game I just call turn and river too but I'm certainly interested in the above from a learning point of view.
Thanks,
Gordie
December 28, 2012
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Bump to get more thoughts on this tiny turn bet.
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August 25, 2012
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Personally I'm with Andrew, fine as played.
I don't think there's that much you can read into the small turn bet – it's mostly just going to be a bet made by a villain who doesn't really know where he stands in the hand and is looking to keep the pot small. For that reason, I think the villain is going to fold to a raise a lot of the time, so there's no need to raise and overrep our hand and fold out a lot of the hands we beat. You also can't really ever fold anything with any showdown or draw value to that turn bet, since you're getting somewhere in the region of 4.5 to 1 against a wide-ish range.
On the river though, we're almost certain to have the best hand since villain is unlikely to make that small turn bet with Qx, so if we did think he was calling a raise with KJ or JT sometimes (his thought process being “he didn't raise turn, he can't have Qx, I call”), we might be able to go for thin value. However, I think it's fine as played, since some bad villains will turn up with Qx here occasionally, and his range is a lot wider than just Jx hands.
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August 25, 2012
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Also, welcome to TPE! Glad you're finding it so useful so far.
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August 3, 2011
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I am on the LAG side of things. Fine as played but I am raising turn to 320 or so. I think he has 109,hearts,K10, KJ,J1, Jx wayyy more than he has a Queen or boat when he bets that sizing on the turn. I am raising for both value from all those draws and Jx, along with taking control so WE decide what to do on river most times. More than likely he is a fish taking this donk bet line so I wanna get max value all day here.
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