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Mistake to shove turn?
skyboss1622
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February 24, 2011 - 10:49 pm
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Ok, so this is my first post as I am a new member, so be gentle. i would like to know opinions on how i played this hand, did i open for to much? was it a mistake to shove the turn? i have no read on villain, as he was new to the table. thanks,

 

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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t75/t150 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

SgtScion (BB): t5275 35.17 BBs
swede359 (UTG): t4580 30.53 BBs
longhair61 (UTG+1): t2250 15 BBs
nelo1939 (UTG+2): t6031 40.21 BBs
7IrishOnes2 (MP1): t3645 24.30 BBs
Hero (MP2): t4815 32.10 BBs
slickster.mb (CO): t13080 87.20 BBs
LupeA-M (BTN): t2310 15.40 BBs
kiminius (SB): t3270 21.80 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is MP2 with A of spades J of spades
swede359 calls t150, 1 fold, nelo1939 calls t150, 1 fold, Hero raises to t579, 5 folds, nelo1939 calls t429

Flop: (t1533) T of spades K of spades 9 of clubs (2 players)
nelo1939 checks, Hero bets t579, nelo1939 calls t579

Turn: (t2691) T of clubs (2 players)
nelo1939 bets t150, Hero raises to t3657 all in, nelo1939 calls t3507

River: (t10005) 7 of clubs (2 players – 1 is all in)

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February 25, 2011 - 12:41 am
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Preflop, my normal open @ the 75/150 level is around 395, plus a BB for each limper, so in this spot I make it 695.

 

So your open is maybe a little on the lower side compared to mine, but at least you're your charging the limpers.

 

On the flop, I bet closer to half pot, you've flopped a big draw here, time to start building a nice pot, any spade, any Queen and maybe your Ace is good as well.

 

On the turn, he donk min bets….. Tricky spot. If the turn didn't pair up the board and was more of a brick, I feel alot more comfortable shoving, however our flush may not be good enough now (bar the Q-spades of course) (T9, TT, 99 just shafted us, and where behind QJ etc)…..

 

I think I'm inclined to flat the Turn (or put in a small raise) and see what comes on the river…….. Although i certainly don't hate the way you played it on the turn, i think i just err on the side of caution….. and see what the river brings and what he does.

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February 25, 2011 - 1:00 am
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i dont like your bet on the flop – for some reason, betting the same on the flop as you did preflop just seems fishy to me. i would be betting 700-900, probably something like 850 i reckon. 

 

on the flop, i agree with southpaw, i would just flat, i doubt villain folds anything – villain seems like a fish given the limp preflop and now the min bet on the turn. 

 

i would flat and hope to hit your half a deck of outs. 

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Pre-flop your bet is on the low end of ok, with two limpers already and more left to act, =>650 from your position would have been better IMO. I do not like the post-flop C-bet of 579, your giving the villian great odds to call and you have not made your hand yet. His bet on the turn is either a shitty value bet or air.  I think on the turn I would flat or 3x, but I would not shove with only one card to come.

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February 25, 2011 - 2:14 pm
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I didn’t like my flop bet here either, after I bet it I knew it was a mistake. On the turn I don’t like my shove either, I didn’t even think about what he might have, I just looked at my hand and all of the outs that I could have. For all I know I could have been drawing dead to the Q of spades. I like the flat on the turn much better. In the end he turned over QQ and took down the hand. Thanks for the comments,

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February 25, 2011 - 2:22 pm
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I def pop it higher pre, 675-700… this gets us a 900 ish flop bet to set up the turn shove (over min lead in this case) at psb, his line looks pretty weak.

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