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April 26, 2013
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Dear TPE villains,
please look at the hidden spoiler part only after you made your comment. I'd love to hear some unbiased input on this one.
This hand was in a 5€+R tourney. We are ITM for quite some time now, 1500€ for 1st, sitting 1st in chips, 20 left.
Villain was running 10/4 over 20 hands, so not much info here.
PokerStars Hand €4.50+€0.50 EUR Hold'em No Limit – Level XXVII (25000/50000) – 2015/03/14 2:18:55 CET [2015/03/13 21:18:55 ET]
Table '1160898814 51' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: shillAlaillA (1167192 in chips)
Seat 3: adrien57000 (412792 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero (3120703 in chips) (UTG)
Seat 5: francis19926 (680264 in chips)
Seat 6: D1m0ns (933636 in chips)
Seat 7: Poincon (2937673 in chips)
Seat 8: xSeifer31x (2169183 in chips) (CO)
Seat 9: guymas (899719 in chips)
shillAlaillA: posts the ante 5000
adrien57000: posts the ante 5000
Hero: posts the ante 5000
francis19926: posts the ante 5000
D1m0ns: posts the ante 5000
Poincon: posts the ante 5000
xSeifer31x: posts the ante 5000
guymas: posts the ante 5000
shillAlaillA: posts small blind 25000
adrien57000: posts big blind 50000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Q
A
]
Hero: raises 58500 to 108500
francis19926: folds
D1m0ns: folds
Poincon: folds
xSeifer31x: raises 141500 to 250000
guymas: folds
shillAlaillA: folds
adrien57000: folds
Hero: calls 141500
*** FLOP *** [6 J
Q]
Hero: checks
xSeifer31x: bets 200000
Hero: raises 400000 to 600000
xSeifer31x: raises 1314183 to 1914183 and is all-in
Hero: calls 1314183
*** TURN *** [6d Jh Qh] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [6d Jh Qh 2d] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Q A] (a pair of Queens)
xSeifer31x: shows [A A
] (a pair of Aces)
xSeifer31x collected 4443366 from pot
Should we ever fold this preflop? I can't do this agaisnt an almost unknown, but not sure if it might be better, because his range should generally be ahead of ours: 99+, AQs+ with only very rare JTs, 87s bluffs
Could we just flat flop and re-evaluate turn? I dunno, it's just such a wet board and make life very hard for us on any K, T or heart card.
Do you expect villain to bet all his range here? I do, as it's a wet board, so he should even cbet his sets here.
Really looking forward to some ideas on this one. Thanks.
March 11, 2015
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My default in low buy in is to fold pre here. I think ppl have such a strong range when they 3b your utg open assuming no history. As played I would check call the flop then evaluate turn.
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December 6, 2012
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Yeah I don't see why his being an unknown makes you reluctant to fold pre. I'd be more likely to fold pre vs a random. You definitely shouldn't raise the flop, because you really just have a bluff-catcher. You really only beat a bluff, and you definitely don't want to make his range any stronger than it is. It's OK to check and fold when a bad turn card comes, as you're already not in great shape vs Villain's range. You shouldn't raise just because you don't want to face a bet later.
April 26, 2013
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Ok, thanks Andrew. Now say we flat the cbet and the turn comes as it did in this case. Villain now bets 3/5 pot, what should I do? Call and fold to river bet/shove? Or would you manage a fold already? Do you consider this an easy spot, feeling certain that most of the time we are beat here? I ask, because a good reg would probably range us on 66+, AQ AJs and KQs hands quite accurately, knowing he could barrel almost always to make us fold on the turn unless we hold the unlikely set or KK, AA.
February 26, 2015
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I am probably folding pre, but as played I like the flop check. I would probably check/call (most sizings) on the flop and evaluate turns…I agree with Andrew that raising the flop isn't ideal, as I can't think of many hands that you beat that are calling…especially since this was a 3bet pot.
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December 6, 2012
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Sen said:
Ok, thanks Andrew. Now say we flat the cbet and the turn comes as it did in this case. Villain now bets 3/5 pot, what should I do? Call and fold to river bet/shove? Or would you manage a fold already? Do you consider this an easy spot, feeling certain that most of the time we are beat here? I ask, because a good reg would probably range us on 66+, AQ AJs and KQs hands quite accurately, knowing he could barrel almost always to make us fold on the turn unless we hold the unlikely set or KK, AA.
Well, I'd say 77-99 is a pretty easy flop fold, and I'd probably even fold AJ unless I had a BDFD. So once we get to the turn, unless you improve, AQ is one of the weakest hands in your range, plus it blocks Villain's single most likely bluffing hand, so I'd fold to most bets.
November 4, 2013
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I am going to ask the stupid question that I hope others are wondering by this point in the thread, but then I will try to answer it.
Why is AQ in such bad shape here preflop that it's such a clear fold? I probably would have considered both folding and calling, then called, unsure of whether I was right.
Is it because hero is raising from UTG, so the CO 3bet must not be trying to get tricky as he knows hero is pretty strong? So we range him on just AK and 99+? Also because we're out of position? (Is it more of a call if the same raise came from one of the blinds?) Are there other reasons?
Also, postflop, is the reason we “only have a bluff catcher” because of the fact that we've ranged the CO so strongly preflop? If 99 and TT are in his range, I am thinking he would likely bet them as he did reraise? Are there just not enough combos of 99 and TT?
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