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Missing Value by Shoving Riv when flopped straight?
ytseshred
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February 2, 2011 - 2:27 am
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What do you think of this line?  Should I have led the turn for 15000ish?  or bet 15000ish instead of shoving the riv?

Full Tilt Poker $10,000 Rush Guar (Rebuy) No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1200/t2400 Blinds + t300 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

mrabbster (BTN): BB = 38.9, t93399
RogerHouston (SB): BB = 29.7, t71283
ytseshred (BB): BB = 25.0, t59882
pegas 33 (UTG): BB = 122.9, t295016
ashin318 (UTG+1): BB = 138.4, t332042
SUIM (UTG+2): BB = 28.2, t67669
pikchkard (MP1): BB = 95.9, t230188
AnGiAnKa (MP2): BB = 61.2, t146939
Geier66 (CO): BB = 52.8, t126764

Pre Flop: (t6300) ytseshred is BB with J of diamonds T of hearts
1 fold, ashin318 raises to t4800, 3 folds, Geier66 calls t4800, 2 folds, ytseshred calls t2400

Flop: (t18300) Q of spades K of diamonds 9 of hearts (3 players)
ytseshred checks, ashin318 checks, Geier66 bets t7200, ytseshred calls t7200, ashin318 folds

Turn: (t32700) 3 of hearts (2 players)
ytseshred checks, Geier66 checks

River: (t32700) 2 of spades (2 players)
ytseshred bets t47582 all in, Geier66 folds

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February 2, 2011 - 7:37 am
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i think you can even bet as low as 10-12k on the turn, which sets you up for an easy river shove

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February 2, 2011 - 10:13 am
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Yea, after thinking about it and looking at it again this morning I agree.  I think in the moment I was trying to play in flow and let him continue, but w/ just a K or Q he's probably going to check behind sometimes for pot control anyway so I think leading the turn like you said would've been best.

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February 2, 2011 - 1:07 pm
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He had some kind of medium to weakish strength hand I would of fired like 10000-15000 on the river that might of got payed by his lower PP,Q's,9's thinking you missed your straight or something. That or a 10000-15000 turn bet then jam river if he calls turn.

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February 2, 2011 - 4:04 pm
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When we check/call the flop out of position I think we look super strong. What about if we lead out a little less than half the pot on the flop? Dont know if you think these guys will give you action but that is what I would do.

 

The guy in the cutoff is just stabbing at the pot since you both checked the flop. Once you call oop and look super strong I think he is not calling any turn or river unless he has a decent hand.

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February 4, 2011 - 1:45 am
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with your stack size I think he is just taking a stab at a pot and has no interest in continuing.  The best line imo would be to check raise the flop and try to get your stacks in if he bites.  He has to see that you are short and just came along for the ride b/c of the call.  Your range here is extremely wide.  I would suggest not flatting oop with 25bb.  this is a much better 3bet shove resteal spot with J10

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I would´ve lead out on the flop to induce a raise and commit villain to call my jam, by flatting on this board out of position u practicly gave away the strenght of ur hand and that why he check behind on the turn..If he flat u on the flop u could check the turn as a sing of weakness and here u will get often enough a large bet from villains.

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