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Kilavolts

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February 1, 2014 - 8:33 pm

title says it all. just wondering how i could have played it better. i think a smaller raise on the turn is better. thanks in advance

Merge - $0+$0|<> NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 2,147 (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
BTN: 1,490 (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 22)
SB: 835 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
Hero (BB): 5,023
UTG: 2,710 (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
MP: 1,295 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)

SB posts SB 15, Hero posts BB 30

Pre Flop: (pot: 45) Hero has  T 9 

fold, [color=red]MP raises to 90[/color], fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 60

Flop: (195, 2 players)  9 4 A 
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: (195, 2 players)  9 
Hero checks, [color=red]MP bets 195[/color], [color=red]Hero raises to 423[/color], fold

[spoil]Hero wins 585
[/spoil]

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February 1, 2014 - 8:43 pm

You essentially flopped the nuts here. Villains range is pretty wide here though. Given that an A hit the flop he might be reluctant to get alot of chips in the middle if he doesn't have an A. The fact that we have spaids make it less likely he has a flush draw.

I'm torn between leading out and hoping he raises us. I think check raising looks pretty strong and will get alot of worse hands to fold. If we are checking, I'm check calling. But I think I mix it up here between leading and check calling. I'm interested in hearing others but I think leading is prolly best as we don't mind getting it in now when he has an A.

As played on the turn I think you should just call. Check raising the turn looks so strong on this board that we rarely get value from anyhting and when he checks back the flops its unlikely he has an A as he should be betting the A alot on this board. There are really no river cards we are afraid of so I think calling is best. Then on the river we can again bet or possibly check hoping he bets again. I'm fine with either.

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February 1, 2014 - 10:40 pm

Ya I think I simply x/c turn and check most rivers… It seems slightly above 0% he can have an A here… So we really need his bluffs to bet. I don't think there's any other way to get money. I'm not sure raising that turn can ever accomplish anything other than getting worse hands to fold.

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February 2, 2014 - 3:21 pm

ch/r way too strong when he checks back. i like ch/ca turn, the problem is what we expect to do on majority of rivers. often his lack of cbet means that he doesnt have Ax and thus wont have a ton of strong hands. i like leading rivers small a lot

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February 2, 2014 - 9:57 pm

Agree with Chris that check/raise is way too strong on the turn. I would either lead or check/call. I think I like lead because it gives you your best chance of getting two streets of value. You're unlikely to get raised at any point and he's going to check back turn/fold to river lead fairly often, so I think we should at least take the line that keeps some bluffs in our range, which is to lead turn and lead river.

However, I do also like Chris' idea of check/call turn and lead river. It's not a line I take very often but it could be very effective here, especially when you miss your flush.

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February 3, 2014 - 1:46 am

Ya I am going lead lead here. 2/3 pot on both streets seems fine so like 130 on turn, 300 on river. Checking here is meh to me. i dont expect him to bluff or value bet his middle pairs, but will almsot surely call. C/r is def too strong as stated by others. I am not a fan at all of checking this turn.

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February 12, 2014 - 8:46 am

Pretty clear bet on turn I think. He either has air, which maybe you induce a little bluff but probably not and in any event you should aim higher with a hand this strong, or he has something marginal he wants to showdown cheaply, which I don't want to make it easy for him to keep checking by checking to him. Or you're beat, but that's not really factoring into my decision. Basically I don't think he has the sort of second-best hand that will bet two streets for value, so there's no point in checking to him. People call a lot wider than they bet.

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February 12, 2014 - 12:54 pm

Thank you very much gents. Great stuff.