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Misplayed draw in heartland main event
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Heartland main $1650

Blinds 100-200 ante 25 9 handed

EP 40k
MP 30k
Me 24k
Btn 17.5k

Btn is splashy 70ish guy. Calls raises liberally and is fit or fold when calling raises and will chase draws. When raising, which he has done a fair bit, he has shown he will fold cbets to a raise and has shown he will double barrel but then cf the river. His flop bets have always been 30 to 35 percent pot. He small 3bet one other time and took it without showdown with a cbet. He has called down light (tpwk) a couple times as the pf caller.

Lag ep raises to 600, tight mp calls, i call lp with JTcc, btn raises to 1600, call, call, i call.

Flop A62chc…chk, chk, chk, btn bets 3500 into 6925…fold, fold, i call. Turn 8c….i lead 7k into 13925…btn jams 12.4k total….5.4k for me to call. I call based on odds and the fact i felt he could have sets, AKxc, possibly KKxc…i only need to be right 16.2%.

Thoughts on flop call? Turn lead? River is always a call i believe?

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Your question is whether you should call with a flush? Didn’t you lead the turn because you were trying to get all the money in?

FWIW I think your line is fine. Flop is actually kind of close given that there’s not a lot behind and BTN probably always has an Ace betting into this many people. You won’t get to see the river if you miss the turn, so you aren’t actually getting good odds to chase. If you also don’t think putting the money in when you actually hit is all that profitable, then you should certainly be folding flop.

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Foucault said
Your question is whether you should call with a flush? Didn’t you lead the turn because you were trying to get all the money in?

FWIW I think your line is fine. Flop is actually kind of close given that there’s not a lot behind and BTN probably always has an Ace betting into this many people. You won’t get to see the river if you miss the turn, so you aren’t actually getting good odds to chase. If you also don’t think putting the money in when you actually hit is all that profitable, then you should certainly be folding flop.  

Thanks for the response. The river is certainly a call, I think I focus a lot on what exactly do I beat when he jams. I start thinking about hand combinations and am I ever ahead when the button jams. 

The fact that he almost always has a strong hand when he bets flop is actually why I called, figuring I would get the rest of his stack. But the amount behind certainly worried me when I called the flop. It took a bit of thinking before I called flop. I feel the turn lead is good.

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Yeah, I mean, it just doesn’t make sense to say, “I called because I knew I could get the rest in if I hit” and then hit and not be sure whether you can get the rest in. What did you think he was going to do when you bet 70% of his stack on the turn, just call?

As for whether you should call the flop, it’s not hard to do the math on that. Assume you always win the pot plus his stack if you turn a flush and always lose the pot but nothing further if you miss. You can calculate exactly the odds of hitting on the turn.

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Foucault said
Yeah, I mean, it just doesn’t make sense to say, “I called because I knew I could get the rest in if I hit” and then hit and not be sure whether you can get the rest in. What did you think he was going to do when you bet 70% of his stack on the turn, just call?

As for whether you should call the flop, it’s not hard to do the math on that. Assume you always win the pot plus his stack if you turn a flush and always lose the pot but nothing further if you miss. You can calculate exactly the odds of hitting on the turn.  

My bet sizing on the turn was not good now that i look at it. I should have bet smaller, 40-50% of his stack to possibly widen the range he continues with. I bet an amount that is obviously committing in his mind.

Because his cbet sizing was so big compared to what he normally bet, i did feel i would get additional value if i hit, so i called on the flop.

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I mis stated the river. There was no river decision, only the turn jam.

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