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Midstages facing cold 4bet from Btn with QQ
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July 12, 2012 - 1:28 pm
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This is from the midstages of the $3rebuy on stars, i had been at this table for 150 hands playing 19/14 but 3betting a ton at 11.6% in MP and LP, but only showing down strong hands and never being played back at. the 4 bettor in this case has been at the table for 55 hands and is 22/20 but has 4bet 2 out of 3 times the action in a 3bet pot has come to him. The fact he made the 4bet so big lead me to think he was squeezeing here, would be great to hear thoughts on whether your jamming or folding this spot? thanks all.

 

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t50 – 8 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

WhiteSmoke19 (UTG): BB = 33.3, t20005
sabotage111 (UTG+1): BB = 31.2, t18740
Hero (MP1): BB = 45.5, t27321
AlexG1986 (MP2): BB = 4.6, t2755
AdiTheDark (CO): BB = 19.5, t11680
DaNutttR (BTN): BB = 33.9, t20328
M@Ry_Lu (SB): BB = 33.2, t19947
owzr (BB): BB = 26.0, t15625

Pre Flop: (t1300) Hero is MP1 with Q of clubs Q of hearts
1 fold, sabotage111 raises to t1800, Hero raises to t3888, 2 folds, DaNutttR raises to t9600, 3 folds, Hero??

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Good spot……..What about the stop and go?  Flat, if a K or A hits you can drop leaving you with 30 bigs or so, if you do not get A or K, jam.  I feel his range *should be* Js+ AQos+ AJs+ or nothing.  That said I have been known to 4bet in his spot on occasion (I would say 20-30% of the time depending on my table image) with mid suited connectors 67s, 78s, 89s (not 56s- or 910s+) as most people will more often than not drop unless they have As or Ks.  And if they flat I can rep the A or K if it drops not to mention if you hit your hand (2pair+) you are comfortably stackin off as they will never see it comin.

 

To this action against this guy, I think I am 50/50 on flatting and jamming. 

 

Intersting talking point, if you have Qs in sabatoge's spot, what do you do?  I think a fold may be appropriate if the action was the same, thoughts?  If it isn't a fold, what if sabatoge had Js?

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I don't think you can ever fold in this spot.

 

Personally, I'd just shove, but I can see the argument for a stop-and-go.

 

The reason I lean towards shoving is that, if he's doing this light, and an A or K comes and we fold, it's just a disaster.  I'm much happier risking a semi-cooler/flip, than risking folding a 90% hand in such a big pot.

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