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July 7, 2012
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Villain is fairly new to the table, less than one orbit I think. He had been at the table long enough to see me raise fold UTG to a jam. I had no read on him or stats as he had not played a hand since joining table. My target for this hand was the BB, he had already jammed on a couple of my opens. But I also expected a 3bet from either the button or SB. I had made the plan pre to 4bet induce against these players given the usual dynamics of these seat positions, but should I have considering folding to a 5bet jam?
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t25 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Lodey1012 (BB): BB = 14.5, t4363
gwg_gwg (UTG): BB = 26.8, t8027
steefke (UTG+1): BB = 18.1, t5425
Burnsey B (UTG+2): BB = 38.9, t11660
SOREWINNER (MP1): BB = 30.9, t9266
FSnoobee (MP2): BB = 16.2, t4860
Hero (CO): BB = 46.8, t14027
Vnezolano (BTN): BB = 55.1, t16516
kirynopis (SB): BB = 44.9, t13478
Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is CO with A
Q
5 folds, Hero raises to t645, Vnezolano raises to t1655, 2 folds, Hero raises to t4255, Vnezolano raises to t15000, Hero calls t9747 all in
Flop: (t28679) T
2
6 (2 players – 1 is all in)
Turn: (t28679) 7 (2 players – 1 is all in)
River: (t28679) 9 (2 players – 1 is all in)
June 11, 2012
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based on his name i call 😉
May 30, 2012
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i r/c tbh
July 7, 2012
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florianm1 said:
based on his name i call 😉
interesting lol.
July 7, 2012
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duggs said:
i r/c tbh
If I told you it was an insta 5bet shove, no tank time at all, does that change anything?
June 1, 2012
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Im not sure if like just calling off 45bb here AQs versus a unknown. I dont think you can just say “i r/c tbh” when we are readless (i agree with u normally tom :-P). May if we had around 30bb, then maybe so.
You have already shown significant strength putting in a third of your stack when you 4bet and the fact he insta 5 bet shove would make me think he has a monster and thinks ur never folding. I dont think he is ever doing this with worse aces, or with pairs worse than QQ. Until we have seen he play a few hands and we are able to make some sort of read on him, I dont really think we can just give a random player in and $10 tourney credit for getting in it light.
You said as well that “I had made the plan pre to 4bet induce against these players given the usual dynamics of these seat positions”. Im not doing this until I have some idea of the type of player they are, be it a fish/reg/spewtard or whatever.
Can we ever just flat the 3bet? or is that bad? We are fairly deep
Or can we 4bet smaller, to give us room to fold?
May 30, 2012
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you guys are misintepreting me, i didnt say i r/4b/c. i said r/c as in I flat the 3bet OOP considering he continues with a polarised range and we arent going to induce worse with a 4bet often enough
May 30, 2012
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and oddly enough that means we agree mark lol
December 10, 2012
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Personally… shouldn't the 4bet be smaller? I know it's OOP but if I was villian and you put that raise in it makes me think you're not folding so for him to 5b jam makes me think he's got a monster. I mean look at your line, your unknown to him too and you've just massive 4bet UTG. Your not 5b jamming without the goods.
My conclusion, love the 4bet but make it 3,800 tops. Then fold to the 5bet shove and wish him well as he has AK or QQ+ but in this instance I think KK.
Calling the 3bet OOP is an option I guess, but aren't you gonna lose the pot more often than not that way? On that flop you're gonna check/fold when he could be 3betting you light? Or what if a Q high flop, is your hand now ahead? I think you could end up losing alot more of your chips if you call oop and hit. 4b/f is the easiest way to play profitably.
July 5, 2012
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Smaller 4 bet accomplishes the same thing. Love that you had a plan though.
Most guys arent jamming a worse range after youve seemingly committed
Your stack pre.
Leads me to this question. If we are considering 4 bet folding AQ in this spot some
Of the time…..what are we doing with AK?
December 10, 2012
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I’d 4bet call AK – you thinking fold? Do we put too much of our stack in to 4bet fold AK? If you don’t want to commit to the pot I guess you could flat the 3bet with AK but I don’t like that. And I don’t like 4 bet fold with as strong a hand as AK.
August 5, 2012
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i like that you had a plan, but when an unknown 3bets you, you have to addapt… i think its terrible to re raise here! hes shoving on you every single time… and hes never shoving worse… your either fliping or are way behind… i think you shoulda just flatted his 3bet and re evaluate on flop!
did he have AA or KK?
July 7, 2012
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Villain had AK
August 5, 2012
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unlucky my man… atleast you had outs! thought he was gunna flip AA…
June 11, 2012
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i guess if he is willing to go with AK here he is also willing to go with TT+ i would assume.
to go in more detail if he is good and we have info i can assume click4betting and folding to a 5bet shove as his 5bet shove should never be less then KK especially with all the shorties at the table.
but there is no info like this so i used the info i had. the name. sounds south american so i am willing to call off. just to clarify that
cheers
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