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MicroMillions-003 Facing 3bjam from nit with JJ

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July 18, 2013 - 8:44 pm

Villain was 8/8 over 60 hands with no 3bet yet.

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t75/t150 Blinds + t20 – 8 players – View hand 2262025
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tamurlane (BB): BB = 118.5, t17768
Mausi1502 (UTG): BB = 27.0, t4045
Hero (UTG+1): BB = 48.8, t7324
alweinmann (MP1): BB = 25.3, t3790
lordzefiro (MP2): BB = 21.4, t3212
rocco xx (CO): BB = 16.5, t2470
trikinosis73 (BTN): BB = 94.5, t14168
ROMARIO1248 (SB): BB = 49.7, t7461

Pre Flop: (t385) Hero is UTG+1 with J of hearts J of clubs
1 fold, Hero raises to t333, 2 folds, rocco xx raises to t2450 all in,

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July 18, 2013 - 9:41 pm

I guess its just a fold. So many better spots in the Micromillions do you really want to risk a quarter of your stack on a flip at best against this player type. 8/8 is considered an uber nit for Full ring let alone 6 max.

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July 18, 2013 - 10:13 pm

redvulture61 said:

So many better spots in the Micromillions

You ain't wrong there 🙂 Check this hand out from my next table:

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t200/t400 Blinds + t50 – 9 players – View hand 2262057
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SB: BB = 0.6, t250
Hero (BB): BB = 33.4, t13361
UTG: BB = 10.8, t4300
UTG+1: BB = 14.5, t5818
UTG+2: BB = 33.8, t13504
MP1: BB = 26.4, t10544
MP2: BB = 39.3, t15735
CO: BB = 28.6, t11435
BTN: BB = 72.1, t28832

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is BB with 9 of diamonds J of spades
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t400, 2 folds, MP2 calls t400, 1 fold, BTN calls t400, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: (t2250) 2 of spades 9 of clubs J of hearts (4 players)
Hero bets t800, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t800, BTN calls t800

Turn: (t4650) 7 of clubs (3 players)
Hero bets t2650, MP2 folds, BTN calls t2650

River: (t9950) 7 of spades (2 players)
Hero bets t9461 all in, BTN calls t9461

Final Pot: t28872
Hero shows 9 of diamonds J of spades (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
BTN shows 4 of clubs 5 (a pair of Sevens)
Hero wins t27422
Hero wins t1450

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July 19, 2013 - 3:34 am

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JUST LOL.

wudihulu: posts the ante 15
AAtoporovAA: posts the ante 15
SHAKAJAMES: posts small blind 60
rasinis: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redvulture61 [Ah Qd]
julianocto: folds 
wudihulu: folds 
AAtoporovAA: raises 240 to 360
dodo765: folds 
cambalindot: folds 
redvulture61: raises 4654 to 5014 and is all-in
HabFan33: folds 
SHAKAJAMES: folds 
rasinis: folds 
AAtoporovAA: calls 4654
*** FLOP *** [Js Jc Td]
*** TURN *** [Js Jc Td] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Js Jc Td 3s] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AAtoporovAA: shows [2h 7d] (a pair of Jacks)
redvulture61: shows [Ah Qd] (a pair of Jacks - Ace kicker)
redvulture61 collected 10343 from pot
redvulture61 said, "?"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10343 | Rake 0 
Board [Js Jc Td 3s 5d]
Seat 1: dodo765 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: cambalindot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: redvulture61 showed [Ah Qd] and won (10343) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: HabFan33 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SHAKAJAMES (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: rasinis (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: julianocto folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: wudihulu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: AAtoporovAA showed [2h 7d] and lost with a pair of Jacks

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July 19, 2013 - 11:25 am

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Don't know why you're laughing, your shove looks pretty awful since you didn't show the stacks behind.

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July 20, 2013 - 2:32 am

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You will happily call my shove with AQ horrible but think that the call with 7,2 is fine? LOL It was for 30bbs about and it was a gameflow based shove i lost a big pot to that player been 3 betting him a lot so i wanted to give the appearence i was tilted so i shoved.

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July 20, 2013 - 6:18 am

usedstars said:

Villain was 8/8 over 60 hands with no 3bet yet.

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t75/t150 Blinds + t20 – 8 players – View hand 2262025
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

tamurlane (BB): BB = 118.5, t17768
Mausi1502 (UTG): BB = 27.0, t4045
Hero (UTG+1): BB = 48.8, t7324
alweinmann (MP1): BB = 25.3, t3790
lordzefiro (MP2): BB = 21.4, t3212
rocco xx (CO): BB = 16.5, t2470
trikinosis73 (BTN): BB = 94.5, t14168
ROMARIO1248 (SB): BB = 49.7, t7461

Pre Flop: (t385) Hero is UTG+1 with J J
1 fold, Hero raises to t333, 2 folds, rocco xx raises to t2450 all in,

Back to the hand in question:-

Other factors, how active hand you been what where your stats? Villian has perfect reshove stack and if he is any kind of competant is not going to flat and try to play 16bbs OOP.

Its not inconcievable that he has just been totally card dead for 6 orbits etc. His range will be strong but could be wider than you think. If you been card dead for a long time and pick up 88, 99, TT, AJs, AQ ect in the BB with 16bbs, your gonna get it in. Not sure that I find a fold here for 16bbs + dead money in the pot. It's a marginal spot.

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July 22, 2013 - 12:55 am

I would also ask how long villain has had roughly this stack. Some players are very tight with 30+BB but suddenly start playing push/fold with a lot more aggression.

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July 22, 2013 - 3:03 am

My stats were 15/10 over the same hand sample, with the only hand he wouldve seen from me is i flatted a min raise from the bb with 78s, c/c a half pot bet with an OESD, and c/r/c-ai with nut straight on turn against TPTK.

a previous hand close to this hand were he 3x/folded from the CO to a SB shove of 23bb total (his stack was 27bb) After that the blinds had gone up and run through him to bring him to this stack. Here is his only showdown hand:

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t40/t80 Blinds – 9 players
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BB: t13905 173.81 BBs
UTG: t5830 72.88 BBs
Hero (UTG+1): t4930 61.62 BBs
UTG+2: t6360 79.50 BBs
MP1: t4644 58.05 BBs
MP2: t4550 56.88 BBs
CO: t10308 128.85 BBs
BTN: t1683 21.04 BBs
SB: t3028 37.85 BBs

Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is UTG+1 with 7 of diamonds 5 of hearts
4 folds, MP2 raises to t240, 3 folds, BB calls t160

Flop: (t520) 6 of hearts 7 2 (2 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks

Turn: (t520) 6 of spades (2 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks

River: (t520) T of clubs (2 players)
BB bets t240, MP2 calls t240

Final Pot: t1000
BB shows 7 of clubs J of hearts (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
MP2 mucks A J of spades
BB wins t1000

Do these pieces of info effect your decision?

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July 31, 2013 - 2:11 pm

i think the hand is still a call albeit a bit of a sigh call. he will happily shove AQs+ AQ+ and probably 88,99 type hands.

your holdings alone are enough to call here but the factor that tipped me toward calling most was that you will have an okay stack if you lost (or were way behind). villain has 16bb and you had 48. a 32bb stack plays essentially the same as 48 here (again, if you were behind/lost)

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August 1, 2013 - 6:25 am

im calling here with jj i think but it would be sigh and i woudnt be surprised to see him flip over kk or qq but even nitty players do shove 88 99 1010 vs utg raise when short sometimes plus aq/ak, its not for your tourny life, so i think il call but i wont love spot

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August 1, 2013 - 11:40 am

Yea, I'm calling and cussing Jacks like a newb, spewing in the chat about I have a cashout curse, and complaining about how online poker is so rigged when he flips over Kings. (pick up the sarcasm)

You are still fine stack size wise if you lose but I think he is doing that with AJs+, 77-88+. My experiece with low buy-in tournaments is that he could have been card dead for a long time and just got a hand that “looks good” considering that after his fold, he now just entered push/fold with a 16bb stack. A hud can be so manipulating sometimes especially with a small sample size. When I am multi tabling, I look down sometimes and I am sitting on 15 bigs while running 7/6 over 100 hands, which is about 1/3 of my usual stats (saying I usally on average run VPIP 20-25, PFR 16-20). Another tip is that when I used to see incredibly nitty players that are auto-folding everything, in this type of spot I would click my time bank and to go to the lobby to search their name and see how many tables they were playing. May give some additional info that can help you make the call or fold.

As for me, I'm calling fo sho.

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