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Juxie
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May 21, 2013 - 2:01 am
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Hi guys. I would like to ask what you think about my play on this hand that appeared on the final table bubble of Merge's 25K guaranteed high roller tournament.

 

Before we get into the actual hand I would like to point out a hand that occured an orbit earlier where I 4-bet the same villain:

 

***** Hand History for Game 69602849290 ***** (Merge)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em – Monday, May 20, 11:31:14 ET 2013
Table High Roller 25K Gtd  Deep (69470850) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 3: BeBonta ( $34639.00 USD )
Seat 4: Tassu1776 ( $62231.00 USD )
Seat 5: M1keMcMuck ( $61708.00 USD )
Seat 6: Flawless18 ( $227300.00 USD )
Seat 8: candycigs101 ( $25649.00 USD )
Seat 9: notaproblem ( $95729.00 USD )
BeBonta posts ante of [$200.00 USD].
Tassu1776 posts ante of [$200.00 USD].
M1keMcMuck posts ante of [$200.00 USD].
Flawless18 posts ante of [$200.00 USD].
candycigs101 posts ante of [$200.00 USD].
notaproblem posts ante of [$200.00 USD].
BeBonta posts small blind [$1000.00 USD].
Tassu1776 posts big blind [$2000.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to M1keMcMuck [  Tc Ah ]
M1keMcMuck raises [$4000.00 USD]
Flawless18 raises [$9995.00 USD]
candycigs101 folds
notaproblem folds
BeBonta folds
Tassu1776 folds
M1keMcMuck raises [$19995.00 USD]
Flawless18 folds
M1keMcMuck wins $24190.00 USD from main pot
M1keMcMuck wins $10000.00 USD

 

Here I thought he might be 3-betting me light and my 4-bet should look really strong as I opened utg and he 3-bet from utg+1. My read on him was that he is certainly not a nit and seems to know what he is doing.

 

The cold caller in the following hand is a fish and I wasn't worried at all that he might be trapping with the flat call. The fishes dead money in the pot and the fact that it is a final table bubble and he is probably opening with a wide range made me decide to 3-bet shove this from the BB. However, I did not take it into account that I just 4-bet him an orbit ago which could make him not want to open as wide against my BB since he knows I can play back at him. What do you guys think?

 

***** Hand History for Game 69602849297 ***** (Merge)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em – Monday, May 20, 11:36:31 ET 2013
Table High Roller 25K Gtd  Deep (69470850) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 2: hellofishs ( $68378.00 USD )
Seat 3: BeBonta ( $29939.00 USD )
Seat 5: M1keMcMuck ( $60953.00 USD )
Seat 6: Flawless18 ( $216055.00 USD )
Seat 9: notaproblem ( $196359.00 USD )
hellofishs posts ante of [$250.00 USD].
BeBonta posts ante of [$250.00 USD].
M1keMcMuck posts ante of [$250.00 USD].
Flawless18 posts ante of [$250.00 USD].
notaproblem posts ante of [$250.00 USD].
BeBonta posts small blind [$1250.00 USD].
M1keMcMuck posts big blind [$2500.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to M1keMcMuck [  Js Ks ]
Flawless18 raises [$5000.00 USD]
notaproblem calls [$5000.00 USD]
hellofishs folds
BeBonta folds
M1keMcMuck raises [$55453.00 USD]

Gareth Chantler
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I don't really think he's going to be adjusting his opening range that much based on your stated history of four-betting him, as much as he is based on your stack size. But if he's a good player he should be seeing three players of the four behind him who aren't going to be flat calling much and could easily shove on him. That should make his range pretty tight. I think ICM wise this is probably a call. (I don't know the field size on Merge, are you in the money?) 

 

Your hand is way too strong to fold given the pot odds, you risk by shoving and either the opener or the caller could have plenty of hands to call you with that crush you. The cold caller really shouldn't be calling too wide here for example given the stacks but he also can't three-bet/call 99 so easily ICM wise v the opener. So I think his flatting range has a ton of hands like that which are strong, but not strong enough to get in v opener, but also are very hapy to be shoved on from behind. Given you have a playable hand and you are capping the action I would just flat here. 

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May 21, 2013 - 8:39 am
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We are in the money with 10th place getting $588 and first place getting $6,8K.

 

The thing is, I'm giving the flat caller a much wider range. He liked to call flat a lot pre-flop and seemed pretty clueless. Only hand that he would flat with that has us dominated is AJ. In hinsight probably flat would have been the best option, at the moment I just thought the opener's range to be wide enough and the flatter's range to be pretty weak as well.

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May 22, 2013 - 2:38 am
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I think I am still calling. There are probably better hands to shove here with, offsuit hands for one.

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I think the shove is profitable with the opener's wide range and the fish's dead money. I would actually be more inclined to rip KJs and flat KJo. There is so much to gain by shoving in this spot and KJs has so much more equity vs a calling range. With a hand like KJo, I would just try to flop a pair or straightdraw to GII on the flop or call down.

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