June 23, 2014
I feel like this is an interesting spot because of backdoor possibilities and being laid such a cheap price to peel and see the turn. I feel like if I'm flatting preflop, folding this flop might be bad. But then again, I could be drawing thin to dirty outs. How do y'all feel about the flat pre?
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Game #77869974-179: Nightly High Roller - $20K Gtd [Super Deep] - No Limit Holdem Tournament - 250.00/500.00 Seat #0: cbtihtm719, $9870.00 Seat #1: aapokerpro99bluffer, $29499.00 Seat #2: NeddyFlanders, $8600.00 Seat #3: Bricksterpoker, $20146.00 Seat #4: drawingamoney13 (D), $26641.00 Seat #5: saratogadew (SB), $5100.00 Seat #6: j1j2jj1 (BB), $31995.00 Seat #7: Angus22, $13030.00 Seat #8: magikkarp, $18590.00 saratogadew posts the small blind of 250.00 j1j2jj1 posts the big blind of 500.00 j1j2jj1 got hole cards [ Th: Td: ] Angus22 folds magikkarp folds cbtihtm719 folds aapokerpro99bluffer raises with 1000.00 NeddyFlanders folds Bricksterpoker calls 1000.00 drawingamoney13 folds saratogadew folds j1j2jj1 calls 500.00 [ 9h: Kd: Jd: ] j1j2jj1 checks aapokerpro99bluffer bets 1111.00 Bricksterpoker folds j1j2jj1 ????
October 21, 2013
I disagree with killingbird, a lot =)
IMO It's totally fine to flat here, as a great coach once told me “you dont get an award for taking control of the hand”,
But before wheter you decide to 3b or call I think what you have to do is ask youself some of these questions:
If you 3bet what are you gonna do if OR 4bets ?
How loose is OR being ?
Do I have a bluffing range here ?
How does OR view me ?
What's gonna make me do the easiest decisions during the hand ?
And I think, that by flatting we will make our future decisions very easy.
Here i would just check fold, super easy, it is true that we might have the best hand, but if we are up vs a good opponent it's gonna be SUPER tough to play later streets, i know that folding TT seems weak because TT is one of the top starting hands and blablabla but on this flop its realtive strenght means nothings imo, just think of all the other hands that you can have in a spot like this (KT KJ QT QJ J9 AJ etcetc) and you ll se that with all these other hands in your range it actually totally fine to check fold TT here simply because it's the bottom of your range…
My2cents
(sorry for my english, i hope it wont be too hard to read it)
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August 25, 2012
I think flat and 3bet are both good options here, dependent on the villain. If villain has a high fold to 3bet percentage or is quite tight in general, flat is fine. If villain is looser and rarely folds to 3bets, we can get some solid value. It's very player-dependent.
It's also player-dependent on the flop – in a multiway pot this kind of flop is going to smash people's calling ranges, so I think I might be inclined to fold fairly often unless the cbettor has a very high cbet percentage, or a very low turn barrel percentage.
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