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June 3, 2012
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Have a little history with villain in BB, I've 3bet him twice already, second time BvB with AA and he called me down 3 streets on K4579 w/66. He was running a 15/10, I had been somewhat agg at 17/16/8% 3bet. So far I've folded to 3/3 3bets on my own opens.
Merge Game #59692482-109 (Tournament) | Holdem NL | 2012/08/12 17:50:19 -0400
Table Sunday $15,000 Guaranteed Freezeout, 59407427, Seats 9 (Tournament: Sunday $15,000 Guaranteed Freezeout, 59407427 Buy-In: $0+$0.00)
Seat 1: pinogris5 ($6,518.00 in chips)
Seat 2: 23bpbp23 ($7,025.00 in chips)
Seat 3: BongDudeBrah ($8,168.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 4: Aghndme67903 ($23,551.00 in chips)
Seat 5: ptweedsdro ($13,198.00 in chips)
Seat 6: LoveForFire ($11,761.00 in chips)
Seat 7: hustlnhard11 ($23,343.00 in chips)
Seat 8: jorpax10 ($6,184.00 in chips)
Seat 9: ITSJUSTSOSICK ($5,725.00 in chips)
pinogris5: Post Ante $25.00
23bpbp23: Post Ante $25.00
BongDudeBrah: Post Ante $25.00
Aghndme67903: Post Ante $25.00
ptweedsdro: Post Ante $25.00
LoveForFire: Post Ante $25.00
hustlnhard11: Post Ante $25.00
jorpax10: Post Ante $25.00
ITSJUSTSOSICK: Post Ante $25.00
Aghndme67903: Post SB $125.00
ptweedsdro: Post BB $250.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LoveForFire [Kc Ac]
LoveForFire: Raise $500.00
hustlnhard11: Call $500.00
jorpax10: Fold
ITSJUSTSOSICK: Fold
pinogris5: Fold
23bpbp23: Fold
BongDudeBrah: Call $500.00
Aghndme67903: Fold
ptweedsdro: Raise $1,675.00
LoveForFire: Raise $3,250.00
hustlnhard11: Fold
BongDudeBrah: Fold
ptweedsdro: Call $1,575.00
*** FLOP *** [3h 6d 2s]
ptweedsdro: Check
My plan pre was to 4bet/call a shove, but now that he just flats, what do I do from here? Was really just expecting him to get it in pre or fold.
August 13, 2012
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well considering what u sad about ur history between u 2,i think he will not give u a light range,,i would cbet here 100%,reevaluete if he calls( u didnt sad what tipe of player is,what sharks says about his winings) i mean if hes capable to trap with the top of his range..i think he would still shove that because he must give u a pretty good hand here
July 20, 2012
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pot is about 7,500 and you have 8,500 left so I would be getting the chips in here no matter what. You could overjam flop or cbet to something like 2,800 to then jam turn. I wouldn't like to give up on this hand ever even though I think he is going with any pp at this point.
June 5, 2012
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IMO, 1/3rd pot >>>>>> shoving, but definitely always going with it.
July 11, 2012
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c/jam but might c/f depending on his sizing
June 3, 2012
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Strange we are in position here and he already checked.
What do you guys think about the 4bet sizing? Is flatting here pre ever an option? I'm not being results oriented, just rather considering different lines because this spot is super awkward whether I'm winning here or not.
August 13, 2012
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the only thing that i see a bit suspect of him having aa or kk ,and traping u,its his size on 3b,,it seems to small for a raise and 2 callers,,u didnt sad about him,regular or..?if u see him capable of traping
July 11, 2012
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Julius187 said:
Strange we are in position here and he already checked.
What do you guys think about the 4bet sizing? Is flatting here pre ever an option? I'm not being results oriented, just rather considering different lines because this spot is super awkward whether I'm winning here or not.
my bad..
4bet sizing seems fine. yah guess you could flat, but in this spot it's not something i'd endorse.
May 30, 2012
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Im cbetting 1/3rd pot and folding to a shove. if he flats I am shoving almost any turn. my reasoning is that a shove on flop meand sets, overpairs, and heavy draws to which we are way behind. but if he flats most of the time he is behind (with the ocassional set flatting which we would dead against anyway if we shove on the flop).
July 3, 2010
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I would have either piled or made a much larger raise pre to avoid an awkward spot post. I think it's too idealistic hoping for a 4b/snap call spot since you haven't really given any indication that anyone is doing anything besides 3 betting and folding or calling 3 bets.
July 3, 2010
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FkCoolers said:
I would have either piled or made a much larger raise pre to avoid an awkward spot post. I think it's too idealistic hoping for a 4b/snap call spot since you haven't really given any indication that anyone is doing anything besides 3 betting and folding or calling 3 bets. You add about 30% to your stack by taking it down uncontested without a made hand.
October 6, 2010
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i think you have misread it coolers – we have 47bb to start the hand, i think its a bit big to just 4bet jam here.
preflop, i think i make my 4bet around 4k.
that way, on the flop we have a bit under 8k left, and the pot is a bit over 9k, so we can just stuff it in on the flop.
June 3, 2012
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I definitely agree I would've liked to see myself make it 3800-4000 here. I was most likely under pressure time-wise.
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March 17, 2010
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I'd c-bet 1/3 here and fold to a shove. Looks like QQ/JJ that wants to see a flop without an A or K before getting it in.
July 3, 2010
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bennymacca said:
i think you have misread it coolers – we have 47bb to start the hand, i think its a bit big to just 4bet jam here.
preflop, i think i make my 4bet around 4k.
that way, on the flop we have a bit under 8k left, and the pot is a bit over 9k, so we can just stuff it in on the flop.
I did misread it – 4k or a little bigger makes sense. I probably size it a little bigger with the others in the hand. As played I guess we can jam the flop but I really doubt we're folding out a lot of the midpairs he called with. If we're going to cbet 33% and fold I almost prefer a jam since at least we get to see all 5 cards if we're behind. If we cbet/fold we just lost 50% of our stack. Plus if he did flat something like 77-99 there's an outside chance he folds to a jam but probably never folds to a cbet.
May 31, 2012
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bennymacca said:
i think you have misread it coolers – we have 47bb to start the hand, i think its a bit big to just 4bet jam here.
Totally disagree. I think this is a shove or fold situation. After the villain 3bets, there are 3.775 in the pot and the hero has 11.200. If we shove and it gets trough, hero adds over 30% his stack. The amount of bb's is irrelavent. Hell if the villain is squeezehappy I would happily jam A4s here.
As played, there is nothing to do other than check and see a free turn. Yes your hand is rather face up but you're never getting called with non paired hands. You have a pot sized bet left on the flop and if you're going to bet 1/3 pot, you have to call a shove if you think the A or the K are alive because of the pot odds.
May 30, 2012
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no disrespect but there is no way we are ever c bet folding this, that would be atrocious…if we c bet evben as small as 3k we have 5k behind and were getting like 4+/1 to call it off here…if you want to c bet fold you should just check back the flop and re evaluate the turn our hand is way to good to jus turn into a stone bluff here
June 5, 2012
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shawnivey said:
no disrespect but there is no way we are ever c bet folding this, that would be atrocious…if we c bet evben as small as 3k we have 5k behind and were getting like 4+/1 to call it off here…if you want to c bet fold you should just check back the flop and re evaluate the turn our hand is way to good to jus turn into a stone bluff here
CB 1/3 pot (2500), get shoved on, have to call 6K into 12.5K, can def find a fold.
May 30, 2012
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bet fold to leave yourself 12bb, good play ill keep it in mind
May 30, 2012
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also betting 2500 on flop is just askin to get piled on, if bet 1/3 fold is your play i bet you get lol pwned in this spot a lot, your basically setting yourself up for it
May 30, 2012
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meh i still cant read at all, i trhought blinds were 250 500…..sorry….tricky format owned me
June 3, 2012
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I felt like any line that involved putting chips in and then folding was going to be lighting money of fire because of the SPR here. I did mess this up with my 4b sizing.
For those of you guys saying small bet/fold, what do you think we are getting folds from when we bet here?
Backdoortrips I think your math is a little off. If we bet 2500, get shoved on, we have to call 6k to with 19.1k. If we think he is getting it in with TT+, I have about 21% equity. If he can also have AK in his range, it jumps to 30%, add in that we have half the AA/KK combos blocked as well as the fact he might be 5b/getting it in pre and it becomes pretty close to having enough equity to make a bet/call, which is what I ultimately ended up doing.
July 3, 2010
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I think bet/folding this flop is about the worst thing we can do.
June 5, 2012
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Julius187 said:
I felt like any line that involved putting chips in and then folding was going to be lighting money of fire because of the SPR here. I did mess this up with my 4b sizing.
For those of you guys saying small bet/fold, what do you think we are getting folds from when we bet here?
Backdoortrips I think your math is a little off. If we bet 2500, get shoved on, we have to call 6k to with 19.1k. If we think he is getting it in with TT+, I have about 21% equity. If he can also have AK in his range, it jumps to 30%, add in that we have half the AA/KK combos blocked as well as the fact he might be 5b/getting it in pre and it becomes pretty close to having enough equity to make a bet/call, which is what I ultimately ended up doing.
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