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Lost on the flop with middle pair.

icantmtt

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December 4, 2013 - 7:26 pm

Stars $11 tourny 99 paid 45 or so remain I'm in the middle of the field with about 23BB.

Table has been playing really tight, villain on the button has been an absolute rock. I havent seen him play a hand for the last 3-4 orbits then this happens

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PokerStars Game 108011657200 / Tournament
Table 826255056 51 –
Blinds : [color=darkred]800/1600[/color] – Ante [color=darkred]150.0[/color]
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9 players
[SB] leonblack69 (104450)
[BB] Farius66 (35255)
[1] Jed-Forest (59655)
[2] modu1us (20424)
[3] TrojanMan81 (36983)
[4] jockoo85 (79849)
[5] mosjatitpula (12118)
[6] FlynnieD (36655)
[But] thgddgisback (25908)

TrojanMan81 :Ac :8h Initial Pot: 3750

Jed-Forest raises to 3200
modu1us folds
TrojanMan81 folds
jockoo85 folds
mosjatitpula folds
FlynnieD folds
thgddgisback folds
leonblack69 raises to 5100
Farius66 folds
Jed-Forest calls 1900
### FLOP ### :Ah :Qc :As Pot: 13150
leonblack69 checks
Jed-Forest bets 1600
leonblack69 raises to 3200
Jed-Forest calls 1600
### TURN ### :2c Pot: 19550
leonblack69 checks
Jed-Forest checks
### RIVER ### :4s Pot: 19550
leonblack69 checks
Jed-Forest bets 4800
leonblack69 calls 4800
Jed-Forest shows :Ad :Jc
leonblack69 mucks :8c :Ks
[color=violet]Jed-Forest[/color] wins 29150 from the main pot with Three of a kind, aces

I just think this is really spewy and absolutely no need to call river, wtf did he think he was beating??

So I'm thinking about this and thinking maybe he's a bit tilted, a bit over it.

The next hand he busts me and I think he played the hand really well. I just thought he was getting a bit spewy and was in a **** it, final table or bust kind of mood.

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PokerStars Game 108011794362 / Tournament
Table 826255056 51 –
Blinds : [color=darkred]800/1600[/color] – Ante [color=darkred]150.0[/color]
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9 players
[SB] Farius66 (33505)
[BB] Jed-Forest (75555)
[1] modu1us (20274)
[2] TrojanMan81 (36833)
[3] jockoo85 (79699)
[4] mosjatitpula (11968)
[5] FlynnieD (36505)
[6] thgddgisback (25758)
[But] leonblack69 (91200)

TrojanMan81 :Ah :Tc Initial Pot: 3750

modu1us folds
TrojanMan81 raises to 3200
jockoo85 folds
mosjatitpula folds
FlynnieD folds
thgddgisback folds
leonblack69 calls 3200
Farius66 folds
Jed-Forest folds
### FLOP ### :Ts :7d :Js Pot: 10150
TrojanMan81 bets 4800
leonblack69 raises to 12800
TrojanMan81 is All in
leonblack69 calls 20683
### TURN ### :8d Pot: 77116
### RIVER ### :2s Pot: 77116
TrojanMan81 shows :Ah :Tc
leonblack69 shows :Qh :Qs
[color=violet]leonblack69[/color] wins 77116 from the main pot with A Pair of queens

I found it really hard to range him but in retrospect if I had put in more effort to range him I probably would have folded. I'm thinking TJs, QJs, JQo, KQo. Never never putting him on QQ there. Oh well highlights the need to work on ranging people at the least.

What do you guys think about opening AT from that position with that stack size?

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December 5, 2013 - 10:56 am

Villain was definitely a bit spewy in the hand you highlight but what is interesting is that he seems to be a tricky type. I mean he three bets preflop and then check/raises on a board that he really should be betting.

Your hand is weak to raise in that position but ok if it is a weak table. I tend to fold it though at a tougher table as you can often end up in really tough spots. Also you have 23bbs so your raise plus a failed cbet is quite costly oop at this stage as you have to think a steal will not get through too often.

His call probably means that he has broadway cards, maybe a stronger medium pair or a monster trying to trap as one of the blinds has 20bbs and the other has a decent size stack. I usually feel 88+ and AJ+, KQ, maybe TJ/QJs etc is in range but weighted more toward broadway cards. I would be especially leery here if the villain has never shown much in the way of calling tendencies though.

Flop is tricky for you and your stack size. I actually might check here for control and call a bet from him as I think you are getting raised a ton on that board by top pair, spade draws, open end straight draws etc as well as hands even stronger than that.

Personally, having bet I would fold as his raise really looks like he means business. After all, he check raised to a minimum when he had nothing (and also his opponent bet was very weak in that hand which encourages players to take a shot) which makes me feel he would raise small here with a weak hand or nothing. Also note that your bet here is almost half pot so there is less chance he will take a shot with air meaning he has a lot of value hands and draws with good equity against you even if you have top pair here.

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December 5, 2013 - 6:01 pm

Fold pre imo, 23 BB effective we really dont have the stack to be getting tricky and are very often crushed or in a marginal spot.

Can you leave the results out next time though, its hard not to be results orientation when we know what he has…just tell us what he had after.

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December 7, 2013 - 1:01 am

No prob will def leave results out next time am going to start a thread in the video discussion area as I work through Andrew brokus series on hand reading so keep your eyes peeled.

Thanks for your responses, appreciated

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