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November 18, 2013
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Live $125 tournament. Villain is fairly clueless. In a previous hand he called a UTG+1 raise with T9o, raised the flop and called a 3 bet from the first limper with top pair. (He ended up chopping with KTo). Like a lot of live fish, he open limps some hands and raises more premium hands.
Hero started the tournament with a huge stack, but hasn't won any significant pots since villain moved to table.
Starting stack 20K, villain covers. Blinds 200/400/50.
Villain opens cutoff to 900. Folds to hero. Hero reraises 2100 from SB with QhQd. BB folds, Villain flats.
Flop (4800) KcTcTh. Hero c-bets 2200 Villain calls.
Turn (10200) Jd Hero checks villain checks.
River (10200) 7h Hero?
I bet the flop hoping to take it down and to avoid playing a guessing game OOP. That didn't happen so I'm still playing a guessing game. Once villain calls the flop, I'm feeling lost. Given his history, he may raise most kings or 10s. He might call the flop with a flush draw. When he bets on the river, the only hands I can really beat are missed flushes or a random AJ calling the flop with a gutshot. When I shut down, I give him free reign to bluff, but I don't know what he calls the flop with that he's bluffing with now, and I don't think he's sophisticated enough to intentionally float and plan a later bluff. Ideas?
November 4, 2013
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Is this midgame? I wonder how many people were at this table? If it's less than 9 his range will be wider for opening, and open/flatting in his case. Did you say he bet on the river? How much? I might check the river hoping to get a showdown and calling some river bets because you are right he has plenty of jacks and lower pocket pairs in his range as I understand.
November 18, 2013
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yes. I checked river and villain bet 4200. had that in my initial edit but was curious if bluffing to rep ak was superior to checking.
September 29, 2012
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If you check the river, I think you have to call. He could be betting hands like 88 thinking they are good. Additionally, although fish don't understand about floating, many do know that the flop bet means very little in way of showing strength. I've come across many calling stations that call the flop with just about anything here. Of course QJ is calling, any A, and any thing else they get “that lucky feeling” with.
As it is, I think I am betting this river myself. With the way the hand played out, QQ should still be best. If he raises here you can safely fold.
October 21, 2012
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Preflop I put him on medium pairs, broadways, and big aces.
When he calls the flop, I remove all pairs under TT because they are beating nothing.
When he checks the turn, I think he has a draw because a marginal hand like top pair might bet to protect and a monster would bet for value. I'm not expecting a slow play since he tends to overvalue hands.
When he bets the river, I put him on missed clubs and call. I'd feel pretty good that I lost the minimum if he had me beat.
November 4, 2013
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derSchwartz said:
Is this midgame? I wonder how many people were at this table? If it's less than 9 his range will be wider for opening, and open/flatting in his case. Did you say he bet on the river? How much? I might check the river hoping to get a showdown and calling some river bets because you are right he has plenty of jacks and lower pocket pairs in his range as I understand.
The first part of this is actually somewhat wrong, for a lot of players who are involved in a $125 buy in at the local casino. You are going to run into a lot of very bad “recreational players”(I hate calling them that, because it feels like an insult to a lot of my friends), who have no grasp of simple poker concepts. They don't open their ranges when it gets short handed. They don't try to steal. They blind themselves down to 5BB waiting for a big hand. I run into these players constantly in my local casino tournaments. So while I don't completely disagree with your statement, it doesn't apply “in general” from my experience.
Back on topic with the hand… I think as played it's a call. You are going to puke everytime he rolls over AK, Tx and JJ while he smiles and says something about playing that pot good. Just smile and say “nice hand”. Personally, I would probably block bet river for about 3300. Fold to all raises. Depending on the player, it's possible you could get away with a smaller block bet, but I think we should be going for some value here, as QQ is going to be the winner a decent amount of the time.
September 29, 2012
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OneTime1Time said:Personally, I would probably block bet river for about 3300. Fold to all raises. Depending on the player, it's possible you could get away with a smaller block bet, but I think we should be going for some value here, as QQ is going to be the winner a decent amount of the time.
March 26, 2013
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Most likely hands villain has here preflop are pairs, broadway cards, decent aces. I don't know what villain's stack is so tough to know his range too well here. I would say he almost certainly raises again with say QQ-AA, maybe AK.
I think I bet flop here as well. When he calls I'm thinking either a draw (AJ etc), T, K (although previous history says he might raise top pair type hands but maybe not on a paired board) or maybe even 77-99 wanting to keep you honest.
When turn goes check / check I am thinking more that he has more draws than value hands and the river 7h does not change much here so I think I just check / call dependent upon his sizing hoping to catch a bluff from missed draws.
I think a 1/3 pot block bet is also an option but I'm looking at the board and finding it difficult to see what worse hands than ours call a bet in this spot. For example, AK, AT, AQ all beat us, AJ might call a bet. Any K beats us. Any T beats us. I think were left only getting value if he had say AJ/QJ or a mid-pair such as 88-99 and will call a bet. It is much more liklely that villain will see us check twice and not be able to resist a stab at the pot if he missed his draws. Whether we call or not also depends on villain sizing. I'm not sure I want to call a big bet on the end here even if I check the river.
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