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Foooka

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June 30, 2013 - 7:05 pm

Hello TPE,

Need some help on this one.. Its the 2nd hand of the 10k GTD 22$ lock big bounty. No reads OBVS on anyone… need some help in spots like this. what do you do first to act to maxiumize value and minumize chip loss when beat? how would you play this spot… thanks for the help in advance…

Hand#3373E38FD7000033 - $10,000 GTD BIG Bounty T14913495 -- TICKETCASH -- $20 + $2 -- 9 Max -- Table 12 -- 0/10/20 NL Hold'em -- 2013/06/30 - 13:00:17
Dealer: Seat 2
Seat 1: villian#1 (2,740 in chips) 
Seat 2:  (2,990 in chips) 
Seat 3:  (2,980 in chips) 
Seat 4:  (3,000 in chips) 
Seat 5:  (3,000 in chips) 
Seat 7: (3,000 in chips) 
Seat 8: foooka - hero (3,000 in chips) 
Seat 9: villian#2(3,290 in chips) 
Seat 10: villian#3 (3,000 in chips)

: posts small blind 10
: posts big blind 20

Dealt to foooka -hero [9s,9c] - i think opening here 3x to 60 is pretty standard - dont like folding and not opening limping. so raise it is.
 folds
 folds
foooka - hero : raises to 60
villian#2: calls 60
villian#3: calls 60
villian#1: raises to 330

when villain pots, i still feel since we are so deep that i can peel the flop to set mine  to get in stacks.

i dont like 4betting here becuase i am basically turning my hand into a bluff and if jammed on have to fold. so i flat.

: folds
 folds
: folds
foooka -hero: calls 270
villian#2: calls 270
villian#3: calls 270

nbe79*** FLOP *** [2c,7c,9d]

GIN!  i hit top set on a semi-wet board.. heres where i begin to think how to maxumize my value. i feel donk leading will fold

out everything except a flush draw and maybe TP and i think if i check to O.R he will C bet here sine he is showing so much strength with

the 3bet pre 2nd hand in the tourney. so i check with the intension to raise when OR cbets...

foooka - hero: checks
villian#2: checks
villian#3: checks
villian#1: checks

?????

*** TURN *** [Qc]

Ugly turn for my hand with 3 other players still in a flush is very possible and that smacks the 3betting range of OR.. so since

villian#1 checked the turn i was going to lead most turns.. but this ugly Qclubs comes off and i dont want to b/c or b/f so i dediced

c/c is correct BC i think players at this level can still bet 2 pair, the Kc or Ac , even top pair in these spot bc the play is really bad earlie on in this tourney.

so i check

foooka- hero: checks
villian#2: checks
villian#3: bets 675
villian#1: calls 675
foooka - hero: calls 675
villian#2: calls 675

When villian #2 now leads and villain #1 calls - my alert systems starts to go off .. but .. i feel with the odds im getting laid and the implied odds

of me making a boat  are high- not to mention middle set could still be good here. so i call

*** RIVER *** [Ac]

Now i have the 9c but know theres no way i am ahead now and i dont like bluffing here as it wouldnt make sense. so i check - fold

foooka- hero : checks
villian#2: checks
villian#3: checks
villian#1: is all in 1,735
foooka-hero: folds
villian#2: calls 1,735
villian#3: folds

villian#1: shows []
villian#2: shows []

How diiferently would you all play this? any and all advance welcome..

thanks

packallama

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June 30, 2013 - 8:26 pm

I would fold to the 3b, especially OOP and with the original caller who could backraise. You are set-mining with too shallow stacks. 9 to 1 odds are not good enough to set min OOP even against QQ+, AK and especially not vs a player with a bluffing range.

Flop is close between a lead and XR. You are overestimating how often the 3bettor is going to CB in a four-way 3b pot. He is unlikely to continue without an overpair or strong draw. I prefer leading to charge any flushdraw that the two players behind you have. We can get in good situations by leading, a player behind calling, and the 3bettor shoving over with an overpair to protect his hand. When we XR over a CB we often shut out the two overcallers.

The turn is also close between a lead and XR. It is unlikely that anyone has a flush at this point in the hand because ranges have not been narrowed yet. The 3bettor also checked back so he is discounted for having flushes. Its is also the Qc which reduces the combos of suited broadway clubs that overcall the 3b. I like XRaising the turn, especially after a bet and a call by the 3bettor. Just ship it in!

On the river we have the fourth nut flush, but considering all four players called the turn bet, we are likely beat. XF looks best.

dapbowler

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July 11, 2013 - 11:23 am

With the 3 bet being so big, your stack doesn't allow you to set mind IMO. Since you called however, I would lead out the flop with the draw heavy board. If you look at the dynamics of the hand, what range do you think the 3 bet villain is going to rep with 4 players in the pot after the flop. You leading out the flop wouldn't be a “donk” bet with multiple players in the pot. However, if you were HU then checking is good here with top set, because 99% of the time, villian would C-bet the flop to let the “story” make sense.

Clarke206

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July 26, 2013 - 12:03 pm

Ya perhaps a smaller open would have allowed for a better set mining spot but if that’s your standard open pre ante I’m fine with it. I agree with those advocating leading this flop. It sucks when you get folds but you’ll get raised by a lot of flush draws which is what you’re looking for in this spot. The point of set mining is to win a huge pot and I think you’re going to get more folds (and win less huge pots) out of a check raise than you will donk leading.

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