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January 27, 2013
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Recently joined TPE, excited to be here and this is my first post. Looking forward to discussion.
I live in S. Fla and play most of the local tournies in the area.
This is a strategy question from a live local tournament in the middle stages.
This is a freeze out tourney with a $200 bi. Blinds are 400/800/75.
I have a stack of 10,340.
I had gotten really short right before I moved to this table. In the first 6 hands or so I had shoved 3 times in a row picking up the blinds and antes. I probably looked a little reckless at this point even though the three shoves were ATs in a squeeze play and got folds, shoved QQ when folded to me and got folds and then did the same with AK. I showed the AK to try and not look completely mad.
This is two hands after I showed AK and it is folded to me on the button.
I have QJsd and I make a raise instead of pushing this time to 2,120.
I get a fold from the SB and the BB calls. The big blind villian has well over 50k in chips. He is a retired african american gentleman from up north who I have played with in the the local room. He is a pretty straight forward, weak passive player who is not very imaginative and not a multi-level thinker.
The flop comes 789 with two diamonds and the villian imeediately donk leads for 4,000.
At this time I have 8,220 behind and the pot is 8,840.
Bet sizing preflop with stack size? As played, is it profitable to jam over top here or better to fold and still have 10bb?
May 30, 2012
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First, I think in a live reg donkament you should jam in this spot. Your on the btn w/ QJo. I'm happy shoving here. I would be happy with picking up the blinds & antes. I under NO circumstances raise 2.5 with it. What happens when someone calls and you completely miss the flop which is what happed, now what? He might have a T or a 9, but you can't jam…………you can and maybe get lucky, but you shouldn't do that. Jam pre and apply the pressure or grind and hope for a better hand/spot. Remember, it's not your calls at times, it's who you are playing against and what you think they will do in certain spots. Who cares who you piss off by Jamming 10 x's in a row. especially when you are playing vs weekend warriors or DEAD money.
January 24, 2013
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Bieg said:
I showed the AK to try and not look completely mad.
In a game like this i would NEVER show. Why legitimize credability???????? If anything continually Jamming will only tilt them and justify, in their minds, “oh ok i can play that game guy” and they will start ego jamming light.
Then what happens?? you GET PAYD!!!
/agree p-aire. With what ~13 bigs its not profitable to potentially lose part of the stack in calling, leading 1/4 ur stack, or flatting….. we all can agree what you need is a double up. Then at 26bigs you can afford to 2.5x twice, maybe three times. But in this spot you double up and get comfortable again. As Paire said, if you lose and go down to 6-9 youre more than crippled..
Stuffy Baker or fold pre is the call here…
May 30, 2012
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I'm certain most if not all the Pros on TPE would say STUFFY Baker especially on the button. I'm jamming all Ax, K9 up, Q9 up, JT J9, all pairs………… at minimum from the button in this situation.
* Lastly, IF I repeat IF you are going to do what you did, why raise to 2100, why not just mini raise to 1600, at least you save 500 chips when you miss the flop like you did. Just food for thought.
Again, in a live donkament like this most bad players are going to call a min raise, 2.5 raise, or 4x raise if they have something and not worry about what your range is, your image, or anything else………… so why not save some chips at least. That's the reason why you joined this site is to expliot situations like this against lesser players and even good ones. glgl
June 3, 2012
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Grunching this, but with 13 bigs on the button, this is a pretty easy shove. By opening you put yourself in a totally awkward situation. You don't have enough chips to putting in any and not going with the hand, so get it in pre to both a) get 5 cards and get your hand's full equity, b) maximize fold equity by putting as much pressure as possible on the blinds.
Also, don't show your good hands after you've been shoving. Let them be completely over it so you get snapped off by the A4o and double when you rip AJ. Your objective as a 10-15bb stack is not to get through and remain a 10-15bb stack, but rather to double and get back in the game. You should be inviting action, not discouraging it. You're not always going to have the best of it, but the short stacks have to gamble to get back in it.
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