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Live tourney: 3 barrel bluff?
MartinAltman
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July 17, 2012 - 7:24 pm
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Hi guys!

This is a hand from Czech Poker Tour ME, buy in €210. It was pretty early and I was down to 13k from 15k starting stack. Blinds were 75/150. 

Preflop:

Some weird guy that played lots of pots opened from mp with about 7k, btn who was decent live pro called and I called with AJo from small blind. I could 3bet, but I didn’t wanna play big pots oop (well at least that was the plan).

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Flop comes T92rb, I check, mp checks and btn bets 1/2 pot. I thought he would bet there with almost ATC to take the pot down. So I decided to make a move and raise, I thought fold was little bit weak since he could literally have anything there and I didn’t wanna just call cause I was oop and I wanted to be able to doublebarrel some cards etc. Turn is a 2. I decided to doublebarrel because it’s terrible card for doublebarrel (and I was pretty sure he knows that) and I thought he would fold here most of his low pairs (33-88) and maybe even 9x sometimes (some plrs would fold even Tx there). He tanks for about 30 seconds and then calls. River is another 2, I have about 7k left and there is about 10k in the middle. I decided to rep a ten, set or possibly overpair (I could flat overpair pre too sometimes cause BB was active and could squeeze light) and shoved, I know it’s terrible card to barrel, but that was my reason for shove (again, I expect him to put me on valuehands only). I wouldn’t take this line against unknown random player ever. I thought he would fold 66-88 if he didn’t fold that ott, 9x and possibly Tx if he really thought I couldn’t have anything worse than AT there (I would sometimes check turn back even with AT) and my range would therefore be A2, 99+ and AT. I know I’m representing such a narrow range and it’s tough to herofold on those boards, but my line is very strong, he is a thinking player and doesn’t think I’m capable of bluffing there ever. Because he tanked for half a minute ott I put him on 77, 88, A9, and maybe JT and QT (I thought he would have called quicker with AT), possibly even QJ, J8 and 78, but it’s not as likely tbh. 

What do you think about this line in general? Are you sometimes taking similar lines on boards where you don’t rep much and therefore it’s tough for opponents to call down or do you think it’s really stupid play? I think it’s probably bad (or at least unnecesarry) play here considering how soft was that field and it’s not a good idea to take those high variance plays early in tournaments, but I found that line very interesting and would like to hear any opinions. Thx.

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I'm not a big fan, since your value range on the flop is SO tiny.  You're basically repping a set or T9, and you would probably be 3Bing some set combos preflop and T9 isn't necessarily in your preflop range.  Plus, since it's such a dry board, you aren't necessarily raising these on the flop.

 

It's probably going to take three barrels to get him off of whatever he has…so it just seems kind of FPS-y to me.

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Either drop pre or 3bet hoping to take it down pre……….do not want to play AJos OOP, flatting is bad.  I would say you could flat from late position, but definately not the blinds.  If they simply completed and didn't open 3x (not clear in the post) I would 3bet for sure, but if the MP player came in for a raise, drop and happy about it.  No reason to get invoilved with a weird player OOP with this hand when you have 90ish BBs. 

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OkieNGa said:

Either drop pre or 3bet hoping to take it down pre……….do not want to play AJos OOP, flatting is bad.  I would say you could flat from late position, but definately not the blinds.  If they simply completed and didn't open 3x (not clear in the post) I would 3bet for sure, but if the MP player came in for a raise, drop and happy about it.  No reason to get invoilved with a weird player OOP with this hand when you have 90ish BBs. 

I think my flat pre is completely fine, they have plenty of hands my AJ dominates. I don't love playing oop, but I still think my flat here is the best option, because noone was folding to 3bets pre and my AJ dominates so many hands they could have.

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I agree that the flat pre is fine.  I think it's a reasonable strategy to not build big pots OOP w/marginal hands

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Really don't like 3 betting here pre ante. Just not that much to pick up in the pot and we are oop. Just sucks when we get flatted, and no need to try and play a big pot here this early oop. I would probably flat if he minraised, but if it was like full 3x then I just let it go. Our hand doesn't really play that well in this spot. AJss I would flat basically any size raise once the button calls. On the flop I really just have the automuck box checked and am ready to get to the next hand. We don't really rep anything if we raise especially if he knows us to be a thinking player. I'm flatting my whole value range here (sets/top two, straight draws, etc) so when we raise we just look bluffy. We also have a player behind us that could be slowplayer. AND, its pretty early in the tournament. These are spots where our edge is not the best, so we might as well save our chips for better spots. Even though your line looks bluffy, if I'm the villain (and a decent player) I'm not going to be flatting your c/r with hands like 33-88 or 9x. So, when he calls the flop you should just give up especially on a 2 turn. As played, I really dont think you are getting him off a ten because people just don't fold those hands, and he really shouldn't have anything worse than a naked 10. Just keep it simple next time and fold flop;)

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July 20, 2012 - 5:34 am
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i never 3bet pre here, flatting is best

 

just check fold flop and make moves with this stack when we're in position rather than OOP

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Thanks for responses!

result:

He tanked for 5 minutes and called with KT.

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