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December 26, 2011 - 6:12 pm
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I just played my first live tour this year. Its a 500$ tour with 100 players. (online i play with average buyin around 60$)

 

The table is 8handed. 250/500 with 50 ante. Im UTG wth 35k and 33. 

I miniraise.

 

player in middle calls. SB calls. BB calls.

Q93ssx

I bet out 2k. A little less then halfpot. Only SB calls. Turn is a 6y.

SB has played pretty tight. But can make moves.

He floated me oop with Q10 1 time on 882ss. I checked back turn 4 with AJ. Thinking i would call most bet on river.
He bet more then pot on river though. So  i folded. 
The reason that I folded there was that i had checked back 1010 on 677 4  vs another played and called a big bet on river 8. I figured he know that i can check turn

with showdown value. So if he knows that, he should have something if he bets that. But that was not how he was thinking 😀

Anyway. On the turn in the actual hand he bets out  7k into a pot of around 8,5k. What do i do here with my 33k stack?

Online i would raise to around 15k i think, or maybe just shove. But should i change that live? I mean online it feels like people would just call my shove with hands like AQ.

But i dont think this player would bet call an allin with AQ there. So maybe raise then shove river? What do you feel about this hand? Should i even open 33 utg 8 handed?

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Just shove. Tank and make it seem like you don't know what to do with one pair or a draw. If you raise it might look stronger than a jam and if he has a hand he's betting to protect, a lot of river cards could come which would kill your chances of getting it all in. 

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December 26, 2011 - 10:56 pm
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FkCoolers said:

Just shove. Tank and make it seem like you don't know what to do with one pair or a draw. If you raise it might look stronger than a jam and if he has a hand he's betting to protect, a lot of river cards could come which would kill your chances of getting it all in. 

^ This!

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What do you put him on when he bets out allmost pot on the turn? Is he strong, weak, draw?

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Medium hand betting to protect, mostly. Two pair if he's a dunce. Overpair if he's tricky, capable, and has history with you. 

Honestly, I'm not caring. I'm ahead and he should never bet that much and fold to a shove so this is a spot where ranging him is almost irrelevant. 

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What was his stacksize to begin with? Was your table fulI of what you think are online players or were they primarily live players? I think the open with 33 is fine, but I might make it a bit bigger like 2.5-2.7x if the table composition were mostly live players since most of these guys in my experience don't really like folding to a stinking little raise, especially in the lower buyins.

 

On the turn, not sure what that turn lead means on what was essentially a blank (has he done this before?), but I would think it's probably  a KQ/QJ type hand since he just checked the turn before when he had complete air. It's possible that it's a draw but not likely since he probably check-calls (or even CR) that rather than kill his hand's value by leading out and having to fold if he gets shoved on… so I'd probably just call here and try to get more value on the river from him, since like you said he's probably not calling a shove on the turn with AQ-type hands anyway.

 

Sorry if I'm rambling a bit that's just how my posts end up sometimes when I try to factor in too many variables smile

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okey, thanks for input everyone. 

 

Btw he had QQ.

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Ya, this seems like the perfect spot for the tank shove.  Feels like he has a middleish strength hand he is trying to protect.  It obv stinks when he wakes up with the top end of his range but there's a very good chance he's never folding his combo draws so I'd go ahead and shove making it look like you aren't sure what to do with a flush draw.  I think opening 33 is kinda close utg at 8 handed table…..would depend on other stacksizes and how table is playing.

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