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August 3, 2014
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Good morning!
Very excited to post and get some feedback on a particular situation.
Satellite tourney: $575 buy in; 15 seats to 10mil guar- Seminole Hard Rock Poker Showdown. 156 players. 90 left.
Blinds 300/600; 50 ante
Hero UTG+ 2. Chip stack ~35 bb (27 y/o female)
Villain HJ ~50bb (older man; active, but not a maniac)
Hero raises $1375 with AQ off; folds all around. Villain calls & Sb calls.
Flop- 10-10-A rainbow
Hero raises $2500 into $5150 pot
Villain calls; SB folds
Turn 7c. Board now- 10 10 A 7 (2 clubs)
Hero? I’ll continue the hand after I see some feedback up to this point. Thanks!
June 23, 2014
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Is he the type of guy who 3-bets his value hands like AK? or is he just doing that with JJs+ excluding AK and AQ? If that's the case, I'd say you are probably ahead of his range here and fire a 2nd barrell (1/3 pot?) with the intention of folding to a raise. You'd be losing too much value by just shutting down and possibly getting blown off the hand once he takes control of it. THere's no reason to think that he isn't floating you on the flop with a medium pair just to see what you do on the turn. He may even have a gutshot who picks up a flush draw on the turn and thus you can get even more value by charging him to see the river. If he calls your turn bet, I'd probably check and let him bluff his busted draws or medium pairs with the intention of obviously calling…otherwise you'll have better showdown value if he checks behind.
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December 6, 2012
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I don't think betting again is the best way to get value from floats. It's extremely difficult for Villain to call again with less than an Ace. I think your options are two small barrels or check turn and then make a big bet on river if V checks back. I prefer the latter, as it also gives him a chance to bluff. There's no reason checking should lead to Hero getting blown off of the hand, as Villain's range for betting should be wider than his range for calling. In other words, Hero should feel better about putting money in the pot by calling than by betting.
August 3, 2014
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Both excellent points. He doesnt 3 bet much from what I saw.. He pushed on a previous player, but no hand was shown.. Wasnt sure what he had there. Here is what happened next:
Hero- bet $4500 into pot of $10,150
Villain- shoves All in
I thought about it for a bit, but ended up folding.
Thoughts? In hind sight I feel as though I should’ve checked the turn.
October 21, 2013
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I agree with Andrew about checking (and calling) the turn and bet on the river if villain checks back …
Now let’s now say villain bets the turn (around 45%-55% pot) , and we call as said earlier…
I’ve been thinking about river play on some different rivers and i wanted to share my conclusions :
-river is the 2h: what about lead -folding ? what size would you use ? (btw my guess would be around 45% pot not bigger since we are not targeting a very strong range) what do you guys think ? on this blank river i dont like checking cause we give him a chance to get to sw easily with all his pp/weaker Aces…it’s true that we dont give him a chance to bluff but on this river i dont think villain is oging to bet again with let’s say KQ or QJ…
-river is the Th: again i think leading is the best option for the same reasons as before (i dont think im folding to a shove though) the only diferrence is that maybe i would bet smaller around 20 25% to induce villain to shove as a bluff
-river is the Jc : and now the worst case scenario: runner runner clubs get there, KQ gets there, AJ now beats us…and i was thinking about check FOLDING; is it too weak ? are we check caling a small bet and check folding to a bigger bet ? idk
-river is the Qc/Kc: again im not sure if it’s better to lead or to check here…i think that with the queen we can lead bigger and fold to a shove, while with the king we can check and see what he does, buit again im not sure
-what about a small club card ? bet folding again ?
so if my assumptions are right, there should be any turn that we check call right ?
June 23, 2014
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I don’t think betting again is the best way to get value from floats. It’s extremely difficult for Villain to call again with less than an Ace. I think your options are two small barrels or check turn and then make a big bet on river if V checks back. I prefer the latter, as it also gives him a chance to bluff. There’s no reason checking should lead to Hero getting blown off of the hand, as Villain’s range for betting should be wider than his range for calling. In other words, Hero should feel better about putting money in the pot by calling than by betting.
So if Villain bets turn, are you planning on calling and then leading river? Or you check/calling both turn and river?
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December 6, 2012
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Air_Apparent said:
I don't think betting again is the best way to get value from floats. It's extremely difficult for Villain to call again with less than an Ace. I think your options are two small barrels or check turn and then make a big bet on river if V checks back. I prefer the latter, as it also gives him a chance to bluff. There's no reason checking should lead to Hero getting blown off of the hand, as Villain's range for betting should be wider than his range for calling. In other words, Hero should feel better about putting money in the pot by calling than by betting.
So if Villain bets turn, are you planning on calling and then leading river? Or you check/calling both turn and river?
I was thinking check-decide, usually call, but actually I like what Riar says a lot. It's a good way to exploit players who won't bluff-shove, won't thin value bet, and probably won't hero fold.
October 6, 2010
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i check-call this almost always, probably to the point of being exploitable as thinking about it now, my barrel range is probably extremely bluff heavy.
i should probably fix that by just not being a barrel monkey instead of putting hands like this into my turn betting range, but now we are getting sidetracked 😀
October 21, 2013
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Andrew what if we are up against a good reg who is capable of bluff shoving in this spot ? is check calling a better option ?
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December 6, 2012
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I think just barreling a lot and having an unbalanced checking range that gives up a lot may be better.
August 3, 2014
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Just so I can receive specific feedback- do you think folding to a shove on the turn was the correct move? I can’t stop thinking about this hand.
Thanks in advanced.
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December 6, 2012
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LoMo said:
Just so I can receive specific feedback- do you think folding to a shove on the turn was the correct move? I can't stop thinking about this hand.
Thanks in advanced.
Aren't you getting close to 3:1? Don't think I would fold at that point.
August 4, 2014
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Well at this point, after putting half the stack I am not folding in the middle stages of the tournament, I am not folding AQ on this board even though 15 seats are guaranteed. If I had the intention of folding, I would not have bet 4500 on the river that would commit me to the pot. If I am doing this bet, it is because I believe I have the best hand and charging for draws.
I mean there is a lot of factors on how I would play this. You dont have to be a maniac to float with KK, especially old people get married to those cards and dont give up easily.
This guy may have floated you with either KK, QQ, JJ. JQs, KQs Acexs etc. I dont know his tendencies, but any sane person would have folded their low pairs after missing the set to that 4500 bet.
There is also one interesting point. If he has that strong of a hand, why wouldnt he flat or minraise you and shove the turn. Plus, he will have position on you. If I were you and felt like the guy kind of knows what he is doing(I would assume most people that play these kind of tourneys to be more than average players. $575 buyin should be pretty serious as long as you are not a pro), then I would call 100% and hope he wont hit his flush, straight etc whatever. I think up to this point, he is beat. As I mentioned before, I would even call just because of pure math.
Then again, I would have gone after someone weaker and not try to hollywood a lot from early position with AQo. I would have opened it with 3 to 3.5x with this healthy stack. Would continue the flop with a strong 3/4ish of the pot. If I get raised, abort mission. If I get called, I would have checked with the intention of folding to a big bet. Because when out of position, I want to get most of my answers going into the turn the latest, not into the river.
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