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November 28, 2014 - 11:52 am

#Game No : 647415206

***** 888poker Hand History for Game 647415206 *****

$100/$200 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***

Tournament #63882246 $2.70 + $0.30 – Table #19 9 Max (Real Money)

Seat 6 is the button

Total number of players : 9

Seat 1: cpetersmith8 ( $10,581 )

Seat 2: Daki514 ( $2,660 )

Seat 3: Andriy1993 ( $5,553 )

Seat 4: RukaVsalate ( $8,365 )

Seat 5: london_ace ( $4,670 )

Seat 6: bastigu05 ( $5,469 )

Seat 7: MBMGOD4GIVES ( $3,125 )

Seat 9: Masterless ( $21,381 )

Seat 10: AnderSPT ( $11,880 )

RukaVsalate posts ante [$20]

Masterless posts ante [$20]

AnderSPT posts ante [$20]

cpetersmith8 posts ante [$20]

bastigu05 posts ante [$20]

MBMGOD4GIVES posts ante [$20]

Daki514 posts ante [$20]

london_ace posts ante [$20]

Andriy1993 posts ante [$20]

MBMGOD4GIVES posts small blind [$100]

Masterless posts big blind [$200]

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to london_ace [ T heart , J heart ]

AnderSPT folds

cpetersmith8 folds

Daki514 folds

Andriy1993 raises [$400]

RukaVsalate folds

london_ace ????

Hey,

No reads.

Which line do you take here? 3-bet/fold, 3-bet shove, flat or fold? i think if we do decide to 3-bet here we're prolly going to get the right odds to call a 4-bet shove since we only need around 32% equity to call or something like that.

so personally i think folding is prolly fine readless.

thoughts please?

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November 28, 2014 - 5:43 pm

With 23BBs I'm in 3B shove mode, I'm not 3b raise calling or 3b raise folding at all, and in this spot with no reads and others to act it's an easy fold for me. If you know villain has been active and you are in the BB then a 3B shove would be a definite option.

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November 28, 2014 - 6:23 pm

I think this is a fold. It could be a flat vs some villains if you have a read that they'll play weakly postflop or you think they're more likely than usual to think you could be trapping. I don't like 3bet/folding this hand or 3bet/calling it, and I think it's too deep to just 3bet shove with three players left to act vs an EP raise.

The only other thing I would add is that I think it's quite bad to be exclusively playing reshove or fold poker at 23bb. There are some spots you can flat, and plenty of spots where you can 3bet/fold. Having a 3bet/fold range also gives you the ability to 3bet/call the top of your range, and get much more value from it. That's not to say that you can never shove 23bb over an open – far from it – but I think to only shove or fold is going to result in missing a lot of good spots.

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November 29, 2014 - 11:42 am

Good point Matt – it's the position here I don't like flatting in as there is a risk of being squeezed behind, on the button against the right villain or on the button a flat looks like an option to me. Though I guess a flat/fold to a squeeze isn't the worst play as it allows you some balance if you like to flat the occasional stronger hand with the hope to call or 4b/5b a squeeze?

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