August 21, 2012
Preflop : I’m fine with raising here. Good hand to do so and see fl
Flop : 3 handed we have OESD. There are two clubs on board so sometimes when we hit our stragiht we are still beat. Decent amount of K’s and J’s in button range and I think BB is still really wide. I don’t mind betting here cause we don’t mind building a pot for when we hit and sometimes we get Jx hands to fold.
Turn : My radar is up. Button calls and again he has hands that beat us in his range. I agree he also has some club draws but rarely ever a worse straight draw. We really only have 6 outs and given the stakes and nature of players at this stake we have little fold equity. At this stakes players hate folding and so far he’s called pre, called flop, i don’t see many hands he now folds on this turn. I check and depending and if he bets real small (players tend to make mistakes here) I call or if he bets larger I fold. We might see a free river card too cause his line indicates he doesn’t like his hand enough to raise. He prolly should raise lots of hands in hsi range but he doesn’t know better.
River : kind of the same as turn. check fold most of the time. if we hit Ac, 9c i depend on sizing.
January 15, 2014
My take is that you might have over estimated the sophistication level of the villain. From my experience with the times I ‘ve played with the type of player you describe in this tournament, he probably isn’t thinking on your level or dissecting a hand the way you are. He is probably just calling you all the way down simply because he has a pair and doesn’t know any better. I could be wrong but that is the feel I get from your post. So against a villain like that, you don’t want to bluff him or try to make him fold because he probably won’t. You just want to make a hand and just value bet the heck out of it. So with that as my general approach to this type of tournament, I probably would have checked/evaluate on turn and river. If you hit your straight then I value bet it. If you don’t then just shut it down. I think your logic and thinking in the hand is fine, but I just wouldn’t try to make that kind of play on a tournament like this. I know that seems weak and pathetic, but I think that is how you play this kind of player. Any thoughts? If I am wrong then please let me know.
January 15, 2014
I don’t disagree really with anything that you are saying about betting against his range. I haven’t done the math on it but you are probably right. I’m just saying in a tournament like this that you don’t need to take the risk of the times he has a K or J and you miss your draw. You can wait for better spots to get chips in because they will pay you off. Maybe my read on this tournament is wrong, but against these type of opponents my goal is to make a hand and get paid. I don’t need to risk betting turn and river here because I know I’ll get paid off in other hands I play. I don’t think your play is “wrong,” I just don’t think you need to make it here. In other tournaments against better opponents I think your play is fine. Maybe I’m wrong, but that is my take on this one.
August 21, 2012
Here is how I’m ranging the opponent here.
22,AdKd,AhKh,AsKs,AcQc,KhQh,KsQs,AcJc,KdJd,KhJh,QhJh,QcJc,AcTc,QhTh,QsTs,QcTc,Ac9c,Ac8c,
Ac7c,Ac6c,Ac5c,Ac4c,Ac3c,Ac2c,AdKh,AdKs,AhKd,AhKs,AsKd,AsKh,AcKd,AcKh,AcKs,KdQh,KdQs,KdQc,
KhQd,KhQs,KhQc,KsQd,KsQh,KsQc,KdJh,KdJs,KdJc,KhJd,KhJc,KsJd,KsJh,KsJc,QhTs,QhTc,QsTh,QsTc
Our equity on this flop is 31 % against that range. That is what I perceive villain to be willing to call at least two streets with here. Again you are overestimating the thought process of villain and generally kind of leveling yourself with some misapplied concepts here. I love that you are thinking but your thoughts are a little jumbled and the concepts you are talking about it seems you don’t understand fully.
Turn 8h : Our equity has now dropped to 22 %
River 3d : Our equity has now dropped to 6 %.
As we can see from my range there are just as many if not more combos of non draws than draws and even the draws villain has have tons of equity against us.
This is alot of analysis for this spot.
Simply it comes down to this level and we need to be going to max value with our value hands. We level ourselves regarding the dynamic and made a very spewy move in this spot. Flop bet is fine, turn bet is borderline at best. River bet is bad.
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