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March 17, 2010
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Spots like this tend to come up fairly often so I want to check for a leak here. I'm short. He's pretty aggro. I gotta assume this is more pairs that beat me and a bunch of flips. Are you guys usually folding here or calling?
Poker Stars $10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t400/t800 Blinds + t75 – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
RonFezBuddy (CO): BB = 32.8, t26205
sammynegrano (BTN): BB = 29.9, t23897
myrinho0777 (SB): BB = 8.7, t6966
loosebanker (BB): BB = 2.3, t1860
MiniiPop (UTG): BB = 27.1, t21720
terob1 (UTG+1): BB = 3.6, t2905
kingpin023 (UTG+2): BB = 10.1, t8065
Ss_Homer_sS (MP1): BB = 21.5, t17214
Heiceman (MP2): BB = 12.0, t9575
Pre Flop: (t1875) RonFezBuddy is CO with 5
5
4 folds, Heiceman raises to t9500 all in, RonFezBuddy?
with the villain only having 12BB left and the blinds aproching him his shoving range is def wide here. but as u mentioned ur prolly up against better prs or a ton of flips. i fold and preserve my 32BB for a better spot. its 12 of our blinds up against a more than likely dominated pr or a huge flip.
bjizz
You are 'short-ish' but with 32 bbs I think this is a fold. I don't want to flip for ~1/3 of my stack here.
swet1 said:
You are 'short-ish' but with 32 bbs I think this is a fold. I don't want to flip for ~1/3 of my stack here.
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TPE Management
July 20, 2010
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my go or fold range here is 35bbs so fold for me.
July 3, 2010
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We're big stack at the table – no need to call here. We're far from short with 32 bb's at the 400/800 level…
July 3, 2010
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I guess a good follow-up question in this thread is:
What's the smallest pair you guys feel comfortable calling with in this spot? I think I'm calling 88+
FkCoolers said:
I guess a good follow-up question in this thread is:
What's the smallest pair you guys feel comfortable calling with in this spot? I think I'm calling 88+
Good question…
I was thinking of that yesterday and ran some numbers against a hypothetical opponent range of 25% and 8's (53% eq) is as low as I would call in this spot but would rather go with 9's +.
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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I folded.FkCoolers said:
I guess a good follow-up question in this thread is:
What's the smallest pair you guys feel comfortable calling with in this spot? I think I'm calling 88+
I folded.
Now to your question. When I start to think about this I always run into a block because most people say something around 88+ but how is 88+ really that much better than 44 55 66 77. 88 doesn't fair any better against his unpaired cards (we don't expect him to have many hands in his range < A9) and how much of his range is pairs worse than 88 that makes it profitable.
I guess we can start by ranging him. do we think every pair is in his range or does he muck 22-33 maybe 44?
Thoughts?
July 3, 2010
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It's not that 88 fairs better against unpaired broadways – it's that each additional rank of pocket pairs allows worse pairs to exist as you said. And he can also be shoving with weird stuff like 67s or 78s which we now dominate with 88 but flip against with 55.
So when we call with 88 or 99 the chances are that much greater that we get it in while dominating another pair.
Conversely, calling with 55 allows zero room to dominate anything since MP2 should be folding 22-44 in that spot.
You could do the math and take your hand as being:
44
55
66
77
88
99
Then run that against the same exact range – something like 44+ and whatever broadways and suited connectors you want to mix in.
The results will show a decent difference I would guess… with 44 and 55 we dominate nothing. With 99 we dominate at least 5 pocket pairs that can shove (44-88) plus some suited connectors that might shove and also Kx and Ax hands that may shove.
I guess we were posting at the same time…
I calculated with 25% (66+ for pairs) range but if you include every pair that is a range of about 27% which would give 88 even better eq. (~55% to win)
Where 5's would still be an ud @ 49%. So I think it comes down to how much of an edge do you feel comfortable risking your chips with?
I folded 66 face up in the BB facing an all in with pretty much the same exact stack dynamics last April at the final table of a second chance tourney at Borgata. At the time, everyone at the table thought I was mental. FWIW, I went on to win the tournament, but thought about that hand afterward and still liked my fold. Thanks for confirming I wasn't crazy.
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