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Late Stages of 4.40 Big stars
C_Emrah
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Guys i'm really kicking myself….. I made it deep in the big 4.40 with only 300 players left (in a field of 5000+) i was chipleader at one stage with 144 BB…. I have chopped this tournament once before for 3.5k which is a great score for me…. The way I won that tournament was I waited for premium cards and when the time came I got paid off and I final tabled and ended up chopping it… but this time i chose a different strategy after watching bigdogs sunday mill series…. I didnt' want to just wait for cards I wanted to preserve and maintain my stack but I ended up spewing my whole stack with 200 players left!! What do i do if every time i pfr I get 3bet…. I get called and out played when im out of position…. in fact it put me so on tilt that i raised K7o from the button and the bb 3bet me with JJ but because i was so sick of been 3bet i shoved (got called) and hit my k and sucked out…….but seriously guys im stuck.. what do i do in this situation where no one on the table is letting me steal and I'm card dead…. do I wait a few orbits without playing a hand? bigdog mentions he doesnt go 4 hands with out playing a hand most of the time….I know i'm not big dog… but im trying to improve as a player and not just rely on my cards but now i wish i did do just that because i had 144 BB i could afford to wait and im sure i would've made the final table but because trying to play better i ended up losing out…. thanks in advance for any feedback

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Hi,

 

I think that sometimes in poker things goes wrong and there's nothing you can do about it. Every poker player know this situation where you are big CL in late stages of a tournament and you don't even make the final table (even Big Dog). Sometimes it's because you run bad or get setup, sometimes it's because you are card dead or because you play bad or spew and sometimes it's just because things goes wrong whitout knowing exactly why, but it's poker.

 

One advice I can give if you play small stakes is that you don't have to abuse people, players makes a ton of mistakes and you can capitalize on that just by playing good hands and ABC poker. You can choose good steal and resteal spots but you don't have to 5bet jam 45o or to CRAI river with air.

 

When you try to put pressure on your table with a big stacks sometimes it doesn't work (because players have better hands or because they outplay you) and I think the best things to do in that case is to change gears and wait a better hand or a better spot.

 

Nothing else I can do for you, just keep playing EV+ poker and things wil be right I guess

 

GL ^^

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First off, BigDog is a beast, but trust me, he takes off more then 4 hands in a row.  In fact, I know that Casey is very tight in certain spots in tourneys.  Forget that, You have to take things you learn from ALL the Pros or beasts you know and make them “YOUR GAME”.  At times, you have to be smart and lets others “spew”.  You should never just spew chips because you are bored.  If you are card dead/spot dead, that's one thing.  But don't spew just because they aren't letting you steal.  *If you allow your EGO to take over, you'll get hurt in the long run and spew in bad spots when it's not necessary.

At times, you are going to get out played and crushed by others.  Patience is HUGE and I know that ALL the pros on here will agree.  You have to have the mix of aggression, patience and no spewage.  Then you become a winning player.  

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September 1, 2013 - 10:57 am
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thankyou guys just what i needed to hear….. very helpful thanks a lot:) It must be the stakes i'm playing…. the time i chopped this tournament i was just waiting for good cards and playing abc poker…. but after watchin some vids on here i think it doesnt work on the limit im playing and in that case im spewing… so I think its the right strategy to wait for peoples mistakes and play good hands only on these low limits… I was confused between two minds but now its more clear to me….

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When you play MICRO's you will see players SPEWING much more.  You can be patient and play more ABC poker at times.  Take your time and improve.  You aren't going to be a PRO over night, but with some time and constant improvement you'll be crushing MICRO's and the SUNDAY Milly in no time.  

Think of playing well and making the right decisions.  

 

A top pro I know once said after being asking how he handles bad beats, “I can only make smart decisions for myself at that time and let the cards come out how they come out.  As long as I'm ahead or made the right decision I'm ok with whatever happens.”  

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September 1, 2013 - 11:52 pm
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P-aire 146 said:

A top pro I know once said after being asking how he handles bad beats, “I can only make smart decisions for myself at that time and let the cards come out how they come out.  As long as I'm ahead or made the right decision I'm ok with whatever happens.”  

Exactly, exactly, exactly – look at the players on your table and pay attention how they play, pick out their weekness and put a note on them.
watch vids for exploiting mistakes. This site is well organized and easy to find vids for what you want to improve. You were chip leader playing good solid poker – Don’t over think and keep it simple. See you at tomorrow’s Big $4.40

Grow some Balls and get it in

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There is a lot of merit in using a big stack to be aggressive but you have to pick go situations in which to do so. You don't have to go crazy but you will be surprised what you can get away with sometimes just becuase of an intimidating stack. 

 

You can still pick a lot of spots to bully even at the micros. From my own experience my two biggest scores have come from being more aggressive than I normally would be with a big stack. I have found it hard to replicate this and it does mean that you sometimes bust earlier but when it pays off you are looking at a big pay day.

 

Ultimately you have to see what the table will let you get away with and adjust as you go. Try not to get too discouraged and keep making those deep runs!

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thanks guys very encouraging and informative….. is it better when deep in tournament like this and a big stack to not play a couple of orbits to get a somewhat tight image? i find when i get moved to a new table i can't get away with anything and am always played back at…

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You already know the answer. This is what they call table dynamics.

 

When people at the table see you making moves, they can adapt to your playstyle. 

Especially when you're quite deep in a tournament you will see a few people who take a good look at your table and analyse all the people on that table.

The moment you change tables is when you have a clean immage again.

Escaper-

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what i mean is i will be playing somewhat aggressive and accumulating chips and been respected… but once i get switched to a new table i try to continue this agression and get no respect even though i have a massive stack…. should i sit out a few orbits until i get my new respect on new table?

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September 6, 2013 - 7:39 am
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C_Emrah said:

what i mean is i will be playing somewhat aggressive and accumulating chips and been respected… but once i get switched to a new table i try to continue this agression and get no respect even though i have a massive stack…. should i sit out a few orbits until i get my new respect on new table?

In most cases people who amass massive stacks are not the type of tight players. You just have to figure out if players avoid you or are willing to seek the confrontation with you. Sitting out a few orbits will make you look like playing tight ranges, that's why they respect you. Having relentless aggression in small stakes tournaments is also a way to get your respect at the table. If you fight for pots, put pressure in the right spots you'll notice people will avoid to play back to you when they're in the blinds.

 

Another great way exert pressure is to 3b in position, that'll force players to play back with weak ranges or to tighten up their ranges as you'll attack them. Last one is a great advantage as that allows you to steal the blinds more frequently as players will fold to you which allows you to open and steal the blinds. Besides that: you get paid more frequently when you do have a hand).

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