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dorbig

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February 23, 2013 - 11:33 am

Hey….

Another session, no big prize, but 2 final tables….

I have some doubts in a few hands:

Hand 1

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t2500/t5000 Blinds + t625 – 7 players – View hand 2116610
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

CO: BB = 25.5, t127672
BTN: BB = 24.5, t122684
SB: BB = 32.8, t164081
Hero (BB): BB = 86.9, t434392
UTG: BB = 26.9, t134501
UTG+1: BB = 52.5, t262553
MP: BB = 44.5, t222594

Pre Flop: (t11875) Hero is BB with J of spades J of hearts
3 folds, CO raises to t10000, BTN calls t10000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t25000, 1 fold, BTN calls t15000

Flop: (t66875) Q of hearts Q of spades 8 (2 players)
Hero bets t37500, BTN calls t37500

Turn: (t141875) 3 of hearts (2 players)
Hero bets t65000, BTN calls t59559 all in

River: (t260993) 4 of clubs (2 players – 1 is all in)

Is this line correct? Or you guys should just shove pre?

Hand 2

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10000/t20000 Blinds + t2500 – 8 players – View hand 2116613
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

SB: BB = 3.7, t73393
BB: BB = 103.9, t2077442
UTG: BB = 24.6, t492361
UTG+1: BB = 17.0, t339740
MP1: BB = 30.5, t610368
MP2: BB = 4.9, t97385
CO: BB = 56.5, t1129848
Hero (BTN): BB = 21.6, t432463

Pre Flop: (t50000) Hero is BTN with K of hearts A
5 folds, Hero raises to t40000, SB calls t30000, BB raises to t600000, Hero calls t389963 all in, 1 fold

Flop: (t919926) 3 of spades 7 T (2 players – 1 is all in)

Turn: (t919926) 6 of diamonds (2 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t919926) 7 of clubs (2 players – 1 is all in)

This is prolly an easy shove, but theres two things, that i didn't take in equation when i shove this. One is the BB stack, is simply too low, one more orbit and he will be gone, and the second is the MP2 is sitout.

Its better to wait for this guys to go then start pushing, or this shove is ok?

The only info, i have in this guy is that he is playing very caucious and getting in better spots only. But i thought due his stack size, his range will be something like, AJs+, AQo+, 66+, some times some KQs.

Btw, i cant get some hands from 888 here, do you guys know how to do it?

And i just bought the two books from jonathan little? I should save my money, or was a good buy to a beginners MTTer?

GL to all of you in the tables.

Al29

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February 23, 2013 - 4:38 pm

Hand 1 I'd have bet a little less on the flop but would still have put villain all in over 2 streets, if he's got the Q then so be it. Another lower variance line is to just call PF but leaves you less chance of winning the hand, with stack sizes shown I'd say a raise is preferable as you don't fear either player calling as they can't put a huge dent in your stack

Hand 2 would be good to hear if anyone thinks you should r/f – if the money spots are mucho differenco between 8th and 4th then perhaps that gives you a reason to do so. I think I raise PF and depending upon recent game flow and aggressiveness of BB I make a call/fold decision based on this, obviously you are behind to any pair and I made a similar mistake (?) earlier in the week shoving all in PF with AQ in the SB and getting called by 44 in the BB. =0(

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February 24, 2013 - 12:32 pm

Hand #1: Without having hud/stats, I think the villian's pre flop play is very suspect. If he is a loose player, I'm less concered as I think his range is pretty wide. In this case I play the hand the same as OP.

However, if we have a decent sample on this player and his is tight, his pre-flop actions worry me greatly. Let's look at the action, he flats the CO raise, thens flat our 3 bet. Unless our HUD tells us he plays way more hands from the BTN then other positions, one can guess his range is very narrow here. Given his tight range, should we cBet?

Will worse call? Perhaps 1010 and 99, possibly lower pocket pairs(kinda a stretch imo). Sometimes maybe a stuborn AK. On the whole, dont see worse calling often.

Will better fold? Queeen is never folding, AA or KK is calling

So, on the whole versus a tight range is a cbet profitable here? I'm leaning towards a check against a tight player.

If we check the flop, we really have to know our villain here. Our check can be interpreted by him multiple ways(Queen trapping, medium strength hand, air) Is he capable of betting a worse hand(1010, 99, AK)? If he's not capable of betting worse, I'm finding a fold here.

If it goes check/check on the flop I'll bet/fold on the 3h turn. I think that his flop check back would include some pairs worse then ours and he may call with these (or AK). I think most value hands (Queen, AA/KK) are going to raise our bet on the turn. If he calls, I'm C/F the river.

Hand #2:

I'm always getting this in here. Our BTN open range is perceived as wide by the chip leading BB. His 3 Bet should be very wide, as he is trying to put tourney life pressure on our wide BTN open. We have much of the villain range crushed, I'm fist pump getting it in here.

As for the Jonathan Little books, I have them both. Only read part of the way thru the first one, and from what I read it is very good for beggining mtt players.

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February 24, 2013 - 9:47 pm

dorbig said:

Hey….

Another session, no big prize, but 2 final tables….

I have some doubts in a few hands:

Hand 1

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t2500/t5000 Blinds + t625 – 7 players – View hand 2116610
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

CO: BB = 25.5, t127672
BTN: BB = 24.5, t122684
SB: BB = 32.8, t164081
Hero (BB): BB = 86.9, t434392
UTG: BB = 26.9, t134501
UTG+1: BB = 52.5, t262553
MP: BB = 44.5, t222594

Pre Flop: (t11875) Hero is BB with J J
3 folds, CO raises to t10000, BTN calls t10000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t25000, 1 fold, BTN calls t15000

Flop: (t66875) Q Q 8 (2 players)
Hero bets t37500, BTN calls t37500

Turn: (t141875) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t65000, BTN calls t59559 all in

River: (t260993) 4 (2 players – 1 is all in)

Is this line correct? Or you guys should just shove pre?

Hand 2

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10000/t20000 Blinds + t2500 – 8 players – View hand 2116613
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

SB: BB = 3.7, t73393
BB: BB = 103.9, t2077442
UTG: BB = 24.6, t492361
UTG+1: BB = 17.0, t339740
MP1: BB = 30.5, t610368
MP2: BB = 4.9, t97385
CO: BB = 56.5, t1129848
Hero (BTN): BB = 21.6, t432463

Pre Flop: (t50000) Hero is BTN with K A
5 folds, Hero raises to t40000, SB calls t30000, BB raises to t600000, Hero calls t389963 all in, 1 fold

Flop: (t919926) 3 7 T (2 players – 1 is all in)

Turn: (t919926) 6 (2 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t919926) 7 (2 players – 1 is all in)

This is prolly an easy shove, but theres two things, that i didn't take in equation when i shove this. One is the BB stack, is simply too low, one more orbit and he will be gone, and the second is the MP2 is sitout.

Its better to wait for this guys to go then start pushing, or this shove is ok?

The only info, i have in this guy is that he is playing very caucious and getting in better spots only. But i thought due his stack size, his range will be something like, AJs+, AQo+, 66+, some times some KQs.

Btw, i cant get some hands from 888 here, do you guys know how to do it?

And i just bought the two books from jonathan little? I should save my money, or was a good buy to a beginners MTTer?

GL to all of you in the tables.

1st hand)

shove is def a very good option, but for the most part im just 3 betting a lil bigger. You are out of position and are 3 betting way to small with a hand like jj. If u had aa here, i wouldn't be opposed to this sizing at all. (especially in lower buy ins). I'm shoving like 40%of the time here and making it 40k setting up a flop shove on most flops 60% of the time. Shoving may be best in smaller buy ins, but ur sizing is def way to small for the buy in you are playing.

2nd hand)

shove all day and it isnt even close!!!!!!! ak with 20 bbs on the B is the nuts

As far as good poker books:

Mr little is a sicko so his books should be of great value.

Harringtons are all great beginner books, a little outdated.

Once you read a couple of these books, get Kill everyone by lee nelson

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