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Late Stage Table Move
lespaulgman
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August 11, 2010 - 10:03 am
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I have been running into a situation the last few tourneys that I have played in and I am not sure how to manage the situation so I thought I would see how others handle it. The problem is I am in the later stages of a tournement (blinds > 1000/2000 typically) and I have a 30-40bb stack. I am at a table for a long period of time, very comfortable with who is there and knowing who I can attack and who to leave alone and I have a clear strategy on how to use the players to continue to hold my stack and move forward. Then, bam…moved to a new table. My mode is to try tighten way up and observe how others are playing and then see if I can jump in (a lot like jumping rope actually). What seems to be happening is that I get moved and then I get jammed up by the blinds increasing and shortening my effective stack to where I feel pressured to move into more of a 3bet shove mode and I don't have very much information at all on the players and I usually get jammed up by it. I was wondering if anyone else runs into this or struggles with it, and more importantly I am interested on how others handle it. Looking foward to reading responses.

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August 11, 2010 - 11:24 am
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Raise the very first hand you're dealt where you open the action.

I really don't like clamming up when I get moved to a different table – I take the opposite approach with a 30-40 bb stack and raise or 3-bet the first chance I get because so often you get respect.

Then play accordingly from there.

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August 11, 2010 - 11:06 pm
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I do exactly what FK said. The respect is almost always there and it gives you a free orbit to get a feel for the table.

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August 12, 2010 - 9:17 am
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Seems to make sense, follow up question for you gents…Do you take a similiar approach both deeper and shallower (looking for a 3bet shove pot fast with a shallow)? Or do you change the dynamic when you are shallower (I am assuming that the answer to deeper is using the stack size to immediately grab respect).

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August 12, 2010 - 11:23 am
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Over a smallish sample size I've tried the same thing with a shallow stack and find that I get looked up a ton by hands I wouldn't think would call a 12 bb shove from an unknown acting in EP and MP.

I'm not shoving ATC but I'm doing it wider than my normal range and I've gotten called by J9s, K3o, QTo, and similar hands.

So that said I'm continuing to do it and have even started open shipping with slightly bigger stacks instead of a standard open to see if this is a trend. Will probably take a while but I've open shoved as much as 20bb after a table move and gotten called light where as it feels like this almost never happens at a table I've been sitting at for a while.

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August 12, 2010 - 11:29 am
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Interesting work, I would be highly interested in seeing how your experiment pans out as this could be a really unique new avenue for potentially chipping up and manipulating table moves. Keep us posted and I'll add in any information I gather on the topic as well. I am intrigued by this trend.

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August 12, 2010 - 11:54 am
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No problem. I'm not a Hold Em Manager expert so not sure if I can use that to automate the tracking process. For now I'll just make little notes when I do this since it doesn't happen a ton.

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its funny cause i like to 3 bet 30-40 bb stacks when there fresh to the table. check the limited hand history as well as this will give you the last 3 or 4 hands  before you got there and see how the seat busted before you got there and who knocked them out because the player with the new found chips will not be as willing to give them away so you can 3 bet them. So watch a few hands and open a couple pots and let your poker instincts take over

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