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July 17, 2012
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Does anyone do this?
I wonder if there is any benefit … go big or go home?
On one hand, getting in late seems to eliminate some of the land mines. Stack sizes are starting to become uneven, bad players that got lucky have big stacks, other players are getting short and desperate and starting to shove wider ranges, alllowing you to pick them off. And in the first few levels, making moves can be dangerous.
On the other hand, you come in at a below average stack and you are closer to shove/fold territory (Is this a plus or a minus?) Bigger stacks can keep you pinned down if they have position on you, and your premiums can get crushed by hands that would just fold to a raise at earlier levels.
I'd love to hear some opinions on this.
June 5, 2012
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I personally never deliberately late reg.
I am of the school of thought that, if we have an edge on the field, missing hands/levels early is very costly. Not only because extra hands = more opportunities to build chips, but also that skill plays a greater role when stacks are deeper.
That being said, a lot of very successful players late reg pretty regularly, so I'd love to hear someone's argument for it.
Not as a strategy but I have no problem late regging as I am confident with later stage play and confident I can build a stack.
July 20, 2012
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I do late reg but not deliberately. A lot of the crazy fish etc are going to give their chips to someone in the first 30 minutes, it's a high value stage of the tournament.
July 7, 2012
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If you join late you are relying more on Push / Fold strategy and winning flips to build a stack. But if you're good with both of those and or dont mind occasionally only getting a couple of hands played for your bye-in I dont see a problem with it. I guess it also depends on the structure of the event and how late you register.
I personally play like a bit of a NIT in early stages (unless i'm in the mood for being a LAG that day) and just stick to premiums and going for max value. So I'll often play very few hands during the registration period.
July 8, 2012
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I do not use this as a strat in any tourny except a couple that are probably still on stars. They are the 1r1a with 60 min late reg. I would late reg at like 55 min and rebuy and only play if something amazing came up. When the add on came it was something like 10,000 chip add on and I'd be around 100 bigs. It played once a night and I made back to back last two tables with like 3500 runners. So in that case I think yeah there will be some big stacks but I still have 100 bigs and was never worried.
i did this on occasion to test it as a possible strategy with the Merge HR a few times. i would come in just before the late reg ended (right before 125/250/25 at 7500 stacks). i had better success in a very, very small sample size but decided its just best to play from the start.
you said “bad players that got lucky have big stacks, other players are getting short and desperate and starting to shove wider ranges, alllowing you to pick them off. And in the first few levels, making moves can be dangerous.”
your logic here is flawed in that the reverse of all your statements works as well. Bad players that have gotten lucky have big stacks, possibly…but much more often in long-run bad players have already been eliminated from the field. Assume from now on that as the tourney progresses more and more easy spots have been eliminated from the field…its just how tournaments work after all. Other players are getting short and desperate, but depending on when you come in, youre likely to have a shorter stack than you would have had you been there all tournament to “pick them off.” When you reg much later you are more likely to have a shorter stack as well. And if making moves in the first levels can be dangerous, then you adjust your game to not be making moves so frequently so as to not endanger your stack. You don't HAVE to late reg to make this adjustment.
Overall while I agree that being present for the first two levels rarely has a major impact on your finish in the tournament, in principle I don't like missing levels of a tournament if you have an edge over a field. If your success in poker is a function of [your edge over a field + the amount of time you have with this edge], then you should be in your seat at the felt for as long as possible to maximize it.
October 6, 2010
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I late reg all the time, mostly because I get bored if I don’t have 6 tables up now. Sometimes sucks when I don’t remember that I registered for a bunch of shit in 20 mins time and now I have tables coming out of my arse lol
July 10, 2012
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I don’t mind late reg’ing for tournaments, although i prefer to play from the start. Playing deeper stacked against fish is always a good idea 😉 so I don’t deliberately late reg, but if there is a tourny I wanna play, but have to late reg to play it, I’ll do it 🙂
June 1, 2012
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As it’s hard to choose exact times to play during the week with family and work I find I have to late reg a lot if the time. Before I do though, I look at the chip average. A lot of the time, halfway through late reg it’s only a but more than starting stack (say 3700 with 3k starting.) I’ll jump in these ones with no worries. If the average is a lot higher though or under 20bbs I won’t normally late reg.
Sometimes I jump in just before end of late reg and try to double up just for fun but don’t recommend it! Did win one doing it though once.
July 17, 2012
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i did this on occasion to test it as a possible strategy with the Merge HR a few times. i would come in just before the late reg ended (right before 125/250/25 at 7500 stacks). i had better success in a very, very small sample size but decided its just best to play from the start.
you said “bad players that got lucky have big stacks, other players are getting short and desperate and starting to shove wider ranges, alllowing you to pick them off. And in the first few levels, making moves can be dangerous.”
your logic here is flawed in that the reverse of all your statements works as well. Bad players that have gotten lucky have big stacks, possibly…but much more often in long-run bad players have already been eliminated from the field. Assume from now on that as the tourney progresses more and more easy spots have been eliminated from the field…its just how tournaments work after all. Other players are getting short and desperate, but depending on when you come in, youre likely to have a shorter stack than you would have had you been there all tournament to “pick them off.” When you reg much later you are more likely to have a shorter stack as well. And if making moves in the first levels can be dangerous, then you adjust your game to not be making moves so frequently so as to not endanger your stack. You don’t HAVE to late reg to make this adjustment.
Overall while I agree that being present for the first two levels rarely has a major impact on your finish in the tournament, in principle I don’t like missing levels of a tournament if you have an edge over a field. If your success in poker is a function of [your edge over a field + the amount of time you have with this edge], then you should be in your seat at the felt for as long as possible to maximize it.
Thanks for your in depth reply! I can’t ever argue that my logic isn’t flawed … Lol. That said, I guess my original post was definitely meant to help me clear up my thoughts on the subject. There is actually a video series about late registering and while it is a good series, the pro in question did t really talk about it as a strategy, so I wasn’t sure if people used it a such.
I have tried it a few times deliberately and had mixed results for the most part … I guess I was trying to feel out the general vibe of it. At some level, I thought there could be a logic to doing it, but all of your and the other poster’s points had also been swimming around my head.
This thread has surely helped to clear things up. Thanks again to you and the other posters for the insight!
August 7, 2012
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I def will late reg tourneys. But if possible I prefer to play them from the beginning and feel I have a bigger edge that way.
June 16, 2010
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Before I late reg I check the lobby to see starting stacks size vs current level blinds. If its lower that 20-25 at the current bb (10-15 min levels) I won’t reg, if it’s a turbo I want to get about 30-40 bb if late reg.
In general, it's a disadvantage starting late with a short stack.
July 3, 2010
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I play much better on a deeper stack – I try to avoid late regging mtt's and almost never late reg a turbo mtt.
June 23, 2012
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i dont late reg at all if i can help it, never any shallower than 30bb.
playing deepstack against fish is how u get a stack early on
August 5, 2012
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i late reg alot into turbo tourneys, simply because there is a huge amount of late regging going on and you usually start with a near average stack thats still fairly deep in comparison to the blinds.. also, im pretty confident with my push/fold game (thanks to “betudontbet” so that helps a bit! i dont think id go as far as regging 60 mins late, i probably only do like 30mins except for in rebuy tourneys, where you can rebuy and addon 1 time and have a near average stack
as far as “regular” tourneys go, i try to be there from the start because aS someone above said, theres alot of fish trying to gain a big stack early on in really marginal spots… so you kinda wanna be around to exploit that.
either way i think that both options have pros and cons, and i understand the reasoning behind being there on time to exploit and getting there late to avoid clashes earley on..
either way i think its all up to your personal prefferance and youll get a diffrent answer from each person
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