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Hello, I was playing in a $1.00 rebuy turbo last night on stars, 495 paid about 550 left. I was playing on my laptop so I don't have any hand history or stats on the guy, but he was a TAG. He was UTG and shoves with 7 big blinds, Its folded to me in middle position and I have 9 bigs and KQ of spades and shove over him. Was this an easy shove or should I have folded and waited for another spot? Would it be the same if I was playing in a higher buy-in tournament? I'll post the results of the hand after a few responses. Thanks for your input.
what range did you put villain on? players will tend to shove a little wider utg when short stacked. your behind any A and any pp. what were the stack sizes like behind you? would the sb or bb be priced in with any 2? personally i could find a reason to shove or fold, but knowing the stack sizes behind would help my decision a little more.
June 25, 2010
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was it a full table? If it was I think this could be a close fold, just because I doubt he is shoving anything you have dominated from UTG except for maybe KJ. Close to the money so some people tighten up….I don't think getting all your chips in is ever a huge mistake here because you are only scared of AA-QQ, AK, and AQ, that being said you are never really a big favorite, and are probably taking the worse end of the stick against his range. Have to do the math to see what range he has to be on for this to be a profitable call(assuming no one behind you wakes up of course). I think in the end, I fold, and look for spots where I can get all my chips in first so I can have fold equity. If I was in the BB here though I think I call because of the discount, and you are guaranteed to close the action.
Easy fold. With 10 biggies you should be first in, not call raises and especially not with a hand that does not even beat his range.
def fold, you want to be shoving not calling most of the time when short. You are behind his range and calling, both of which mean that it is -ev.
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July 20, 2010
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with 7 bbs his range is any 2. i never fold here ever gl
Thanks for everyones responses, I was thinking it was a good shove which is why I did it. UTG flipped over KJo and of course hit a J on the turn and the begins to berate my play after getting lucky on me and it got me thinking maybe it wasn't a good call. Then I tripled up next hand and then doubled up the hand after that then wound up finishing 260th when I shoved A5dd and got called by AJcc.
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March 17, 2010
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I fold because too many to act behind me if you are in early MP
SittingDucks said:
Easy fold. With 10 biggies you should be first in, not call raises and especially not with a hand that does not even beat his range.
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bjizz
July 3, 2010
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SittingDucks said:
Easy fold. With 10 biggies you should be first in, not call raises and especially not with a hand that does not even beat his range.
This 100%. Lucky he had the only hand you crush. Unlucky that he sucked out and then berated you (wtf?). But yeah, it's a fold.
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April 6, 2010
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Fold. We have people to act, and for that matter we are rarely in good shape against a shorty on the bubble. Especailly if this guy got to 7 bbs folding the last 5 orbits. If he took a bad beat to get to 7 bbs the hand before that changes the dynamics and makes it a little closer, but probably still a fold.
FkCoolers said:
SittingDucks said:
Easy fold. With 10 biggies you should be first in, not call raises and especially not with a hand that does not even beat his range.
This 100%. Lucky he had the only hand you crush. Unlucky that he sucked out and then berated you (wtf?). But yeah, it's a fold.
I agree it is a fold, however KJo was far from the only hand you crush. Villain should be shoving there with a lot of suited connectors and one-gappers and other very live hands. It is still a fold though because there are too many to act behind you, your hand still isn't that big against even his expanded range, and you lose fold equity which is your lone remaining weapon with your stack.
That said, calling isn't terrible.
July 3, 2010
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MattyDaCobra said:
FkCoolers said:
SittingDucks said:
Easy fold. With 10 biggies you should be first in, not call raises and especially not with a hand that does not even beat his range.
This 100%. Lucky he had the only hand you crush. Unlucky that he sucked out and then berated you (wtf?). But yeah, it's a fold.
I agree it is a fold, however KJo was far from the only hand you crush. Villain should be shoving there with a lot of suited connectors and one-gappers and other very live hands. It is still a fold though because there are too many to act behind you, your hand still isn't that big against even his expanded range, and you lose fold equity which is your lone remaining weapon with your stack.
That said, calling isn't terrible.
I don't think your average $1 MTT player knows this. I think they fold hands like 79o, etc. that a lot of more experienced people shove with, especially close to the money. So many micro and low stakes guys will literally blind down to zero if they think they can min-cash.
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