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KQs tough spot. What say you?
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July 21, 2010 - 5:00 pm
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Ok so I'm up against a donk who is playing loose passive, like most of them.

Poker Stars $0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t100/t200 Blinds – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

themitch1979 (UTG): BB = 23.9, t4787
UTG+1: BB = 21.3, t4260
UTG+2: BB = 16.3, t3265
MP1: BB = 21.8, t4365
MP2: BB = 17.9, t3586
CO: BB = 14.3, t2870
BTN: BB = 52.9, t10572
SB: BB = 35.8, t7160
BB: BB = 10.4, t2080

Pre Flop: (t300) themitch1979 is UTG with Q of clubs K of clubs
themitch1979 raises to t490, UTG+1 calls t490, 5 folds, SB calls t390, 1 fold

Flop: (t1670) 5 of clubs 4 of diamonds 8 of diamonds (3 players)
SB checks, themitch1979 checks, UTG+1 bets t200, SB folds, themitch1979 calls t200

Turn: (t2070) J of clubs (2 players)
themitch1979 checks, UTG+1 bets t1000, themitch1979 raises to t4097 all in, UTG+1 calls t2570 all in

River: (t9210) 7 of spades (2 players – 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t9210
themitch1979 shows Qc Kc (high card King)
UTG+1 shows 7d Qd (a pair of Sevens)
UTG+1 wins t9210

 

UTG+1 Is a loose passive with VPIP/PFR around 42/3.

I shoved the turn cause his turn bet didn't make sense to me, donks don't know about value betting, he would've raised more o gone all in. I think he's on a draw and shove, he tanks and immediately I knew he didn't have the J, but waiting to see if he had the balls to call with A high. He calls and I giggle. Confused

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July 21, 2010 - 5:05 pm
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Now that I'm thinking about it, I think this would be the better play.

– check/raise his flop bet

– bet the turn (he still might call)

– check/fold to a bet or shove

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July 21, 2010 - 5:13 pm
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I would just check/fold flop even vs that minbet. You have around 10% equity to hit one of your outs on turn and you might be way behind on that flop already. As played I would just check/call  turn and would try to hit my outs. He is not folding any draw here/any pair probably (you don't represent anything with your line). You don't have more than 25% equity and some of your outs might not be good so it is just better to fold.

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July 21, 2010 - 5:15 pm
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I would c bet the flop and turn and be ready to give it up. No use in chasing after you gave him the upper hand.

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July 21, 2010 - 6:31 pm
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Bad flop to c-bet. Multiway pot and it's a flop that hits tons of calling ranges. Easy check/fold in my opinion.

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July 21, 2010 - 8:54 pm
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But we have a flush draw, do we call the min bet on the flop and on turn? I'm sure he was gonna raise on the river, so we obviously fold.

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FkCoolers said:

Bad flop to c-bet. Multiway pot and it's a flop that hits tons of calling ranges. Easy check/fold in my opinion.


 

Woops – misread and thought  we were heads up. Agree to check and fold..

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July 22, 2010 - 9:53 am
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chechebobos said:

FkCoolers said:

Bad flop to c-bet. Multiway pot and it's a flop that hits tons of calling ranges. Easy check/fold in my opinion.


 

Woops – misread and thought  we were heads up. Agree to check and fold..


 

I initially raised, he min bets the flop, the other guy insta-folds, since we were heads up with a flush draw and over cards should we maintain the lead by raising his min bet and folding to a re-raise or shove? I'm insisting because I've seen it happen to me so many times, I raise, some loose guy flats, either leads the pot with a min bet or if I'm OOP I check and he min bets, then what?

Well I guess in these stakes it better to take it easy and maybe just call his min bet, and check check the turn and fold the river.

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July 22, 2010 - 10:16 am
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When someone bets 200 to a pot that huge, its because they are just stupid….I dont give action to stupid ppl, so I just fold on the flop….

If u are not like me lolz….raise the flop big, but you know that guy will never fold so….why bother…

I dont play 0.10c tourneys but if i do, i wont even raise KQs UTG for sure or AJ or small pairs, the looser you play the harder is to play Pos-flop, and in those cheap tourneys, U will just end u tilting and losing all your stack in one move…not good.

 

Lets face it, 0.10 they are all loose, you have to tight up, really theres no other strategy there

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July 22, 2010 - 11:29 am
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We don't have a flush draw on the flop. We have two overs and a backdoor flushdraw on a flop that's likely to hit a lot of calling ranges.

His min bet is usually a draw so raising the flop will either induce an all-in or he's going to flat it and you'll head to the turn playing out of position in what has now become a pretty big pot.

I mean there's just so many other spots to play good poker in position against bad players that I have a hard time supporting anyone trying to make a move here.

You jam the turn really having little fold equity here without knowing what he has.

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July 22, 2010 - 12:43 pm
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Sorry I misread the flop.

 

But, I guess you're right. I only had over cards and was OOP. Well I guess I've found a leak, trying to outplay bad players in bad spots.

 

Thanks guys.

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