September 14, 2014
#Game No : 667600008 ***** 888poker Hand History for Game 667600008 ***** $10/$20 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** Tournament #66016307 $4.50 + $0.50 - Table #7 9 Max (Real Money) Seat 10 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: 1Erdvig1 ( $2,668 ) Seat 2: I.Selega ( $3,000 ) Seat 3: P1thon ( $3,000 ) Seat 4: london_ace ( $3,000 ) Seat 5: kello18 ( $3,000 ) Seat 6: Sebazip ( $3,000 ) Seat 7: Yujin_EX ( $3,342 ) Seat 9: Apocalypse24 ( $3,000 ) Seat 10: mickyf45 ( $2,990 ) 1Erdvig1 posts small blind [$10] I.Selega posts big blind [$20] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to london_ace [ Qs, Kh ] P1thon folds london_ace raises [$40] kello18 folds Sebazip calls [$40] Yujin_EX folds Apocalypse24 folds mickyf45 folds 1Erdvig1 folds I.Selega folds ** Dealing flop ** [ 7, A, 6] $110 london_ace bets [$55] Sebazip calls [$55] ** Dealing turn ** [ T ] $220 london_ace bets [$165] Sebazip calls [$165] ** Dealing river ** [ J ] $550 london_ace checks Sebazip bets [$490] london_ace folds ** Summary **
Hey
when v makes the call on the turn , i pretty much discounted hands like 66/77/A6/A7 , they would want to raise these to get more money in the pot. The only hand that they may be calling with is a flush draw. The river improved my hand yet it quite possibly improved villians range.
I just think it looks weak for hero to just c/f river , this could be a good bluffing spot for v to bluff with the bottom of their range or even with a good hand like AQ/AK.
Folding the top of our range for checking this river? I wouldnt. We need a super read imo to fold near the top of our range on this river.
Villain could be going for thin value with 67/AT/AJ and 89 for a straight we beat. Villain would also quite possibly raise their flushdraws on the turn.
TPE Pro
August 25, 2012
Yeah, this is a rare spot where I disagree with Andrew. I don't think people are bluffing enough at these stakes, but I do think they're valuebetting too much. I think we can see villain turn up with AJ/AT/other surprising hands often enough to make the check-call on the river.
I think river is more of a bet/fold to get value from the bad calldowns players make in these spots too – we're never getting raised by a hand that's not a flush, but there are some hands villain might call with which he would often check back if we check to him.
September 14, 2014
This is very intresting two 2 TPE pro's with different views. so andrew says c/fold ginger says b/fold , i'm not sure which line to take? maybe i shud of just folded pre LOL
Okay all jokes aside , I can see why c/f is good , clearly there's no bluffs in villians range here , he's called 2 streets so his range looks like
monsters – Flushes/ straight (for the gut shot with J8) , the straight is not a big part of there range here anyhow.
marginal – AQ/AJ , pocket pairs – QQ/99/88
draws/air (they don't have any)
so as u can see their range consist of monsters/marginal hands
villian is obv checing back there marginal hands back on the river and betting their flushes , again that straight is very unlikely and sets are very unlikely , TT would surely raise turn , as for JJ he could of got there on the river so he may value bet that , as that hand would somewhat be inbetween a marginal and monster hand.
I do think some opponents will bet a hand like AQ/AJ here for thin value for sure otr, i just don't know if this opponent will?would u consider it standard for any opponent to bet AQ/AJ for thin value here on a 3 flush board?
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