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KK UTG+1 4Bet Pot - How do we proceed ? - $1500BI Live MTT
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October 28, 2012 - 6:57 am
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Hi Folks

 

Early stages of live tournament. 390 Runner Field. 120+ Online qualifiers and a lot of competent regs.

 

50/100 Level. I'm playing just under starting stack (19,600)

 

I look down at KK UTG+1 and make it 250 to go.

MP Flats (covers)

LP 3-Bets to 1350 – effectively 5.5x my bet confused (he covers playing ~24,000)

Folded back and I 4-Bet to 3200

MP folds and Villain Flats.

 

Flop 10 7 4 (r)

Action is on me.

Villain has been involved in more pots than most and is playing quite passively in position. Hasn't shown much down.

This early I’m not expecting any light 3Betting. I am pretty much ruling out AA as I feel he will 5-bet a lot in this spot.

I am leaning towards AK/QQ/JJ, KK less likely and 99/TT a possibility. My thinking is weighted heavily towards AK/QQ/JJ

 

I'm interested in how you proceed from here ?

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Well, you have to cbet. I would consider making it just over 1/3 pot to give him the chance to spew raise you with worse. If he flats you can do the same on the turn setting up a rvr shove. If he puts you allin on the flop I'd be going with it, if he shows up with AA or TT its a cooler, but then you just bink a K on the rvr.

 

Given the size of hiw 3bet did you conisder just flatting and letting him barrell off with worse. I think a 3bet to this size is often trying to protect a middle pair, but occasionally AA trying to build a pot pre.

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Well, I probably size my bets bigger this deep and also live. 

I really doubt this guy has TT. I don't think anyone is squeezing this big with TT here. I think you're ranging him correctly although AA is still to be considered. 

I probably go more like 4,000 here pre because I want to be able to get it in on the turn. If he's got AA, oh well I guess. I think villains who are passive/stationy live will stack off with JJ and QQ and we need to go for max value. 

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Turbulence said:

Well, you have to cbet. I would consider making it just over 1/3 pot to give him the chance to spew raise you with worse. If he flats you can do the same on the turn setting up a rvr shove. If he puts you allin on the flop I’d be going with it, if he shows up with AA or TT its a cooler, but then you just bink a K on the rvr.

 

Given the size of hiw 3bet did you conisder just flatting and letting him barrell off with worse. I think a 3bet to this size is often trying to protect a middle pair, but occasionally AA trying to build a pot pre.

Hi Turbulence

 

I did consider flatting but prefer the 4-bet line here OOP.

 

I C-Bet 2700 (a little more than 1/3 pot) and he flats.

 

2h Turn.

 

Whats your line now ?

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FkCoolers said:

Well, I probably size my bets bigger this deep and also live. 

I really doubt this guy has TT. I don’t think anyone is squeezing this big with TT here. I think you’re ranging him correctly although AA is still to be considered. 

I probably go more like 4,000 here pre because I want to be able to get it in on the turn. If he’s got AA, oh well I guess. I think villains who are passive/stationy live will stack off with JJ and QQ and we need to go for max value. 

As I said above, I CBet for 2700 and villain flats.

2h on turn – your line ?

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Result. I lead turn for half pot. He jams. I snap and he has 10's for the set. Are we going broke here 100% of the time ?

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well…if we give him TT+ and AKs and AKo preflop…

 

on flop you are still 65% in equity…on turn we are ruling out the AK….when he jams he has TT+, so this mean a set or aces which beat you…and JJ and QQ which you beat…

this is like 55% vs 45% there…and will he really jam JJ or QQ there rather then flatting ?

 

of course its easy to say to make the fold there but you are only beating two hands if you break the hand down…and he is 3 betting pre 5x which you 4bet…so your range is pretty nutty there too UTG+1

he is putting you on big pair there I would assume…

 

I have no idea what I would do, I think I would probably call in the moment…but still after breaking everything down I think this would be a fold…hero fold that is…

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all sizings are too small pre, make its big enough that you can lower the SPR to get value easier, seems like a cooler on this texture as there are very few combos off 1010 when you use card removal and discounting.

 

just imo, anything less than 3x the deep seems counter intuitive, im sure you could even go 4x

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