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KK tough spot on rvr
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January 12, 2013 - 5:25 pm
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Villain super tight running 9/7 over 81 hands. Is this ever a bluff on rvr with say AhK?
Poker Stars $154+$154+$12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t60 – 9 players – View hand 2061491
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Hero (SB): BB = 40.6, t24385
BetzPH (BB): BB = 19.2, t11495
galdius (UTG): BB = 36.2, t21708
n00ki5 (UTG+1): BB = 52.9, t31766
TheLipoFund (UTG+2): BB = 26.6, t15986
mg2222 (MP1): BB = 96.6, t57974
AlusivPnkBny (MP2): BB = 31.1, t18637
88Xin88 (CO): BB = 40.5, t24270
veli96 (BTN): BB = 51.3, t30783

Pre Flop: (t1440) Hero is SB with K of clubs K of hearts
2 folds, TheLipoFund raises to t1200, 4 folds, Hero calls t900, 1 fold

Flop: (t3540) 9 of hearts 3 of hearts J of spades (2 players)
Hero checks, TheLipoFund checks

Turn: (t3540) 8 of hearts (2 players)
Hero bets t2100, TheLipoFund calls t2100

River: (t7740) T of diamonds (2 players)
Hero checks, TheLipoFund bets t6000

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Hi

why are you not 3betting KK vs 26BB stack pre? I think vs that stack size we should always try to get it in pre

 

anyway, post:

pre i guess he raisese something like 77+,AJs+,AQo+

 

Flop:

so on 9h3hJd he has a set 9% of the time, top pair 4.5% and an overpair 19.7% of the time with all these hands i believe he is clearly betting the flop IP on such a draw heavy board and with his stack size he might be more then willing to get it in

Because the board is so draw heavy he is likely not to bluff Cbet here also because of his stack size

 

Turn:

the turn only changes things little for him. as he still has overpair and sets the vast majority of the time. again with all these hands he should probably get it in on the turn based on above mentioned factors.

He might AhX on the turn instead of getting it in

he may call with a strange played flush

 

River:

the river actually smashes his range pretty hard. He has a straight now 44%(29combos) of the time. Prob with all QhX he call on the turn, still has a set 20%(12combos)

I assume he bets here with straights, flushes(2combos) and maybe some sets(lets say 50%=6combos) plus air(A high=8combos). and check backs the rest hands

we get 2.29:1 on our call which means we need to be good 30.4% of the time to be break even. he bets with 45combos and we are good against means we are good only 17.7% of the time

 

clearly there are not enought bluffs with A high given this range and line assumption that we can call profitably

 

cheers

 

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It is an odd sized river bet since he could be trying to get max value out of a Q or 7, or could be bluffing with the Ah.  I don't think he has 2 hearts in his hand since there was no c-bet on that flop.  His call on the turn feels like he hit a draw.  My best guess would be AhQ or maybe 77.  I would fold and kick myself for not 3-betting preflop.

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Turbulence said:

Villain super tight running 9/7 over 81 hands. Is this ever a bluff on rvr with say AhK?
Poker Stars $154+$154+$12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t60 – 9 players – View hand 2061491
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): BB = 40.6, t24385
BetzPH (BB): BB = 19.2, t11495
galdius (UTG): BB = 36.2, t21708
n00ki5 (UTG+1): BB = 52.9, t31766
TheLipoFund (UTG+2): BB = 26.6, t15986
mg2222 (MP1): BB = 96.6, t57974
AlusivPnkBny (MP2): BB = 31.1, t18637
88Xin88 (CO): BB = 40.5, t24270
veli96 (BTN): BB = 51.3, t30783

Pre Flop: (t1440) Hero is SB with K of clubs K of hearts
2 folds, TheLipoFund raises to t1200, 4 folds, Hero calls t900, 1 fold

Flop: (t3540) 9 of hearts 3 of hearts J of spades (2 players)
Hero checks, TheLipoFund checks

Turn: (t3540) 8 of hearts (2 players)
Hero bets t2100, TheLipoFund calls t2100

River: (t7740) T of diamonds (2 players)
Hero checks, TheLipoFund bets t6000

 LIPOFUND is a sick reg… sharkscope him, dude crushes and i remember him from the good ole days

i think 87 hands played vs villain means little as most solid regs play ABC pre ante.  These stats have little credibilty imo unless all of them were post ante.  Tough to know.  Also, he could be grinding massive amounts of tables.  Because I know he is a super BEAST, i def. think he is capable of making moves and getting creative.  Had he been running 45/30/13% 3 bet, we could assume he is a spew after 87 hands but other than that scenario I usually dont pay much attention to the HUD until 200+ hands.

Pre:

We dont always want to be 3 betting here so im 100% fine with flat.  Although we are OOP, I know you defend a lot of bbs so important to mix in nutty hands, esp with his stack size.  Luv the flat tbh.  Unless you had been 3 betting heeps, IM IN LOVE WITH THIS FLAT!

FLOP:

check check

My honest read on this situation…..

He never has an overpair, set, or j.  0% he doesnt c bet these hands as this texture is just way too draw heavy where he doesnt want to bet get it in on the flop. NO chance he gives a free card.

He can have q10 and hearts.  Im bet getting it in all day everyday, but some other regs will check back these hands so we have to include them in his range.

9s and 1010 are possible, as those are the type of hands I may check back in order not to get check shoved on.  Having said that, i still c bet a lot of the time and than make a really good call or a nittier fold if you had check shoved.  there are so many hands that may check shove, q10,k10, hearts, any j, lot of 9s.

Puts you in a really tough spot, so im usually bet calling a9 and tens here.

TURN:

luv the lead, at this point we need to protect our hand and get money in the pot.  We have the nuts on this turn unless he has 88,hearts, or q10.  Less likely to have those hands as i believe most are cbetting flop.  We also have second nut draw so if we lead and he shoves we are snapping him off.

we lead, he calls

-Looks like some hand with the ace heart, maybe aq with q heart, maybe pure float, kq with hearts maybe w/o hearts.  1010 still an option obv. ak is still a possibilty as I'm usually checking back flop with ak and aq so we cant rule out those hands.  ITS looking like aq and ak with a heart.  I honestly am putting him on aq,ak,kq(with a heart) or 1010.  FINAL ANSWER  Those are the hands i check back on this flop.  Thing is we have kk, so obviously the % goes down on ak and kq, but still a possibility.

RIVER:

ffs, worst runout ever.  I see nothing we beat and good regs will value bet 1010 on this river although u would check all 7s imo.  im not putting him on any 7s, just my read.  He does have 1 bluff and thats ak but thats unlikely as we had kk so……

FOLD!

I spent an hour on this post, u better like it!!!!!!

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Yeah Lipo is a friend from the SNG days. God I miss those days, but hopefully the new ones will be even better.

 

I like the flat as the BB could squeeze if he is aggro. I bet fold river. I think you can fold now or bluff catch if you like with that stack. Sick though.

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my bad thought we were in BB, ill edit later

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Ill comment prior to reading other comments. 

It really depends if they are any good how we play this, if they open pretty tight and and might r/f like JJ/1010/AQ then us here then i like the flat, however if they arent just 3bet gii v like 1010+ AQ+ and feel good about it. 

as played i like leading that flop tbh, AK/AQ are both going to check back a ton and 99/JJ raise us most of the time, while we still get value from 1010/QQ. 

 

as played betting turn is fine but im def folding river. AQ/QQ AKhh AQhh, dont think he ever has sets or 7x at that sizing but dont think there are nearly enough bluff combos possible + our range looks like it isnt giving up.

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Thanks for all the feedback guys. It was a massive sigh fold on rvr…his rvr bet was sooo polarised to nuts or air i tanked it for ages.

 

Not often I get tricky and flat KK in this spot, but felt that he is folding to a 3bet way to often and that I can get more value flatting. If he did have AQ probably saved myself a bunch…I'll console myself with that

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