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KK pre.... 5b/5b jam?
jdogloves46
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March 21, 2013 - 7:27 am
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This a $15r $15k gtd.

IPoker Network No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150.00/t300.00 Blinds – 9 players –
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Player1 (BTN): t1608.00 5.36 BBs – VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 12, AF: 2.8, Hands: 191
Player2 (SB): t22223.00 74.08 BBs – VPIP: 26, PFR: 11, 3B: 11, AF: 1.0, Hands: 27
Player3 (BB): t21531.00 71.77 BBs – VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: NaN, AF: NaN, Hands: 1
Player4 (UTG): t5905.00 19.68 BBs – VPIP: 9, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: NaN, Hands: 22
Player5 (UTG+1): t9714.00 32.38 BBs – VPIP: 14, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 22
Player6 (UTG+2): t11907.00 39.69 BBs – VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 11, AF: Infinity, Hands: 22
Hero (MP1): t9072.00 30.24 BBs – VPIP: 21, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 2.0, Hands: 22957
Player9 (MP2): t7720.00 25.73 BBs – VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 29
Player10 (CO): t9884.00 32.95 BBs – VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 12, AF: 2.8, Hands: 191

Pre Flop: (t450) Hero is MP1 with K of hearts K of spades
Player4 raises to t600, 1 fold, Player6 calls t600, Hero raises to t2100, 6 folds, Player6 raises to t3600, Hero????

 

So TPE nation… what do we do here???? For me it's an instanta jam as I'm never fodling KK pre starting with 24 bigs…. however, upon deeper thought I'm not so sure that it's right. As the villain here has the most redic polarised range that he can be flatting an open with and then 'clicking-back' a 4b to me. I had a similar hand to this that i posted on the cash forum a week or two back. and when it happened then, like now, it just stank of AA. But there is something in me that just can't get away from KK. Now I get that we're not folding KK in standard 'cock-waving' pre-flop raising wars… if they've got AA then that's just a cooler and we're binking a K on the riv as standard… but here, in this situation we have a little more info in the fact that he flats an open first, then clicks it back to me giving himself no fold equity in the 4b, therefore surely he must be nutted? he's never doing this with any hands that I'm crushing is he?

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March 21, 2013 - 8:33 am
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22 hand sample makes it far to hard to fold. AK also makes sense with this line. and occasionally you will see midpairs that backraise you. id need to see much much nittier and converged stats to fold tbh

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Agree with Duggs there, your hand sample is so small that he might do it with a lot more combos then just AA, with 30bb eff I'd ship here 100% of the time.

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your raise can for sure look like a squuez that just wants to get the pot. 

Player6 can for sure have flatted hands like 88,99,1010,JJ,QQ and sees raise as a steal. 

I would for sure go allin in this spot. 

 

It is a little dangerous to see that he raising it back so small. But if i were in his shoes i could have been doing that with 1010,JJ,QQ.

So like i said, i would shove. 

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But if he has a range that I crush like the above 88-QQ why would he 4b me so small? Surely he thinks he's 4b for value? His 4b ain't carrying any FE, so why would he risk the top end of his range being vulnerable to a flip against my squeezing range? Would he not jam with those hands to try and maximise his FE? Is this move not AA the majority of times?

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its definitely not AA enough to fold.

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so if it is AA, KK would be a 19% dog, and therefore it'd need to be AA more than 81% of the time make folding correct then?

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