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April 26, 2013
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Hi TPE.
These are two almost identical hands I played during the last few weeks in important spots deep in these tourneys. I have some things I would chance in the way I'd play these hands, but firstwould like to know what you guys think.
Hand #1
Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1600/t3200 Blinds + t400 – 9 players
Picasso25 (CO): BB = 98.6, t315647
imcastleman (BTN): BB = 101.2, t323870
Hero (SB): BB = 41.3, t132199
bohunian (BB): BB = 57.0, t182242
keenakeena73 (UTG): BB = 55.0, t176101
bettybends4u (UTG+1): BB = 81.0, t259073
_Kyramyg_ (UTG+2): BB = 45.8, t146615
ChriStyIe (MP1): BB = 38.1, t121974
salta44 (MP2): BB = 48.8, t156201
Pre Flop: (t8400) Hero is SB with K
K
6 folds, imcastleman raises to t6400, Hero raises to t15400, 1 fold, imcastleman calls t9000
Flop: (t37600) 6
Q
Q (2 players)
Hero checks, imcastleman checks
Turn: (t37600) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t14160, imcastleman raises to t38400, Hero calls t24240
River: (t114400) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, imcastleman bets t256000, Hero calls t77999 all in
Hand #2
Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t4500/t9000 Blinds + t1125 – 8 players
fankun7898 (MP1): BB = 12.2, t110052
QkareQ (MP2): BB = 16.6, t149047
mastakid (CO): BB = 103.2, t928438
BiggMarkk (BTN): BB = 16.8, t151502
tupac_srj (SB): BB = 82.4, t741614
Hero (BB): BB = 52.2, t469979
sohoskiracer (UTG): BB = 24.5, t220261
cabsta (UTG+1): BB = 32.1, t288697
Pre Flop: (t22500) Hero is BB with K K
2 folds, fankun7898 raises to t18000, 3 folds, tupac_srj raises to t48888, Hero raises to t108000, 1 fold, tupac_srj calls t59112
Flop: (t243000) Q Q 4 (2 players)
tupac_srj checks, Hero checks
Turn: (t243000) 6 (2 players)
tupac_srj bets t99999, Hero calls t99999
River: (t442998) 5 (2 players)
tupac_srj bets t244444, Hero calls t244444
Thanks for your input!
March 11, 2014
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So weird ….they are almost identical. Don't see anything wrong your play. Did you get coolered? KK is an awfully good hand especially against a button raise in the first one.
September 5, 2013
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hand 1: Bigger on the turn and fold the river
hand 2: Think I'd fold without good notes, but calling could be fine vs some. Your beat by 6 combo's of aces, 1 combo of QQ, 8 combo's of AQ. You rep JJ+,Aq+ so villain isn't going to valuebet his lower pocketpairs, and doubt villain is going to bet AK(or Ax) on the turn. So I cant find alot of combo's that we beat.
March 26, 2013
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Hand 1 – out of position, I quite like betting KK until villain in the hand tells me I should stop. The main reason for this is that when the villain calls me down with hands like 88-JJ or showdown hands that I beat I get value on a couple of streets. Also villain cannot rule out a Q in my value betting range so I feel this line makes it quite difficult for most villains to bluff raise without the goods.
Hand 2 – In position I either bet each street here or check turn to induce a bluff on the river. I definitely bet flop in this spot and if I get ck/r I will usually call a bet and evaluate turn. By checking flop here I think we tell villain that we have a hand with showdown value that might not stand some heat so if he is thinking and brave he can really put you in a few tough spots by firing two value looking barrels to represent the Q knowing that when he does have a Q you know that he checks flop a lot anyway.
April 8, 2013
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Hand 1: I think im just betting this flop but as played I think Im just folding the turn. Checking back flop and raising turn is incredibly strong. Especially considering you 3 bet preflop his hand looks nutted to me.
Hand 2: I think I call turn and fold river. You cold 4 bet preflop so its hard for him to bluff into you or even value bet weaker hands. I actually like your flop check because of the fact that you cold 4 bet. He may put you on AK, but once you call the turn he has to just get to showdown with all his worse hands. So the fact that he bets river seems too strong to me.
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August 25, 2012
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I really don't like either of your flop checks here. Are you checking KK to induce bluffs, or because you're scared of the paired board?
If it's the former, then both of these hands are pretty standard, because your hand is so underrepped in both instances. I think I can understand checking to induce bluffs with strong hands here in some circumstances because it looks like you have a missed AK or something similar, but the problem is it's such a dry board that it's not really a good board for villains to bluff at either. Unless villains have very wide ranges for calling your 3bets/4bets you stand to gain more from getting value from their showdown value hands than you do by inducing them to bluff with air, so I would only check these hands against the most aggressive of villains.
If it's the latter…just don't be so scared of paired boards. The fact there are two queens out there means it's much less likely the villain has one. In the first hand, I agree that the turn raise is pretty scary, but your hand is really under-repped, and I would expect most Qx hands to bet the flop, so I don't think you can fold turn or river. The second hand is kind of the same – once you check back the flop the villain should not think KK is in your range, and since it's the top of your range, you can't really fold it.
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December 6, 2012
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theginger45 said:
If it's the latter…just don't be so scared of paired boards. The fact there are two queens out there means it's much less likely the villain has one. In the first hand, I agree that the turn raise is pretty scary, but your hand is really under-repped, and I would expect most Qx hands to bet the flop, so I don't think you can fold turn or river. The second hand is kind of the same – once you check back the flop the villain should not think KK is in your range, and since it's the top of your range, you can't really fold it.
I'm not convinced Hero's hand is underreppred. Although checking the flop may look Hero's hand look weak, putting money into the pot on the turn does not. So by the river, it looks like Hero has some sort of good but non-monster hand, not like he has no-pair. KK might be at the high end of that range, but unless you think Villain is trying to value bet worse that isn't really relevant. When I see a line like this from my opponent, I am not shocked to see a hand like Kings at showdown.
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August 25, 2012
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Also very true. Next time I go do the rounds of forum posts, remind me to make sure you're not around to school me! 😛
December 2, 2013
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So what were results
April 26, 2013
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Well, thanks for the analysis. Ginger, I wonder if there is any way to get away from this hand, without making a longtime mistake.
So yeah, I got coolered both times. First Hand villain showed QJo.
Second hand she had AQo.
Yeah, that sucked. I wonder, as played, I think a river fold would be good in both hands. Definitly in the second hand, right? My thinking here is, that a good player would always fear (as played) a trap with a fullhouse or some Qx hand. So he wouldn't shove the river, maybe check, or maybe bet-fold, if he didn't have a Qx hand or a fullhouse himself. What do you think?
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