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KK in the SB. Turn shove - line check

Funkywabbit

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June 23, 2014 - 8:34 am

Hi,

I would really appreciate some insight regarding this specific hand. The tournament was aproaching the bubble with 77 remaining players with 64 players being paid.

I will post the result after we discuss the current hand

The Villan stats at the time were: VPIP:50%, PFR 20% over 6 hands so i don't know how reliable the info is.

Poker Stars $0.50+$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t25 – 9 players – View hand 2526891
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

matejvslo (MP2): BB = 5.3, t1580
FatAnt88 (CO): BB = 26.6, t7980
JAMIK VASJA (BTN): BB = 18.3, t5476
Hero (SB): BB = 32.7, t9797
vollderflop (BB): BB = 40.8, t12254
BorZul (UTG): BB = 19.1, t5742
dnyyyy (UTG+1): BB = 40.3, t12101
schiber23 (UTG+2): BB = 1.5, t450
geldnot_77 (MP1): BB = 11.3, t3385

Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is SB with K of spades K of hearts
1 fold, dnyyyy raises to t900, 5 folds, Hero calls t750, 1 fold

Flop: (t2325) 2 of spades J of diamonds 3 of clubs (2 players)
Hero checks, dnyyyy bets t2100, Hero calls t2100

Turn: (t6525) 2 of hearts (2 players)
Hero checks, dnyyyy bets t2400, Hero raises to t6772 all in, dnyyyy calls t4372

River: (t20069) 7 of hearts (2 players – 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t20069

Thanks,

Poking_Fun

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June 23, 2014 - 11:35 am

I don't like the flat call in this specific instance for a couple of reasons:

UTG+1 is raising from a position of strength. This means that a 3b might induce more action from the original raiser, particularly around the bubble as he has you covered. By flatting we offer good odds to the BB and also give free cards to the opener. Also, if the villain has hands like TT-QQ, AQ-AK etc certain flops might lose you a customer that was willing to go with a hand preflop but would be more cautious postflop when bad cards for their hand flop. I would probably make it around 2250 to try to induce villain to shove OTT which he will do quite often if he holds the hands I mention above as well as sometimes getting a random spew from a complete bluff. Sometimes they will fold but that's life.

Postflop I quite like. The villain clearly bets strong on the flop so it makes no sense on that flop to scare him off. When he bets turn I feel he is committed so best to get the money in as he most likely has a Jx type hand. If he has a 2 then move onto the next tournament.

OneTime1Time

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June 23, 2014 - 9:41 pm

Pre-flop I would be raising this, for all the reasons Poking said. Also because not 3b KK in a micro is madness.

Post-flop I like a lot. Played quite well, given it's a spot we shouldn't really every find ourselves in with this specific hand.

jacobsharktank

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July 4, 2014 - 9:29 pm

Your villain is 3xing, indicating he most likely doesnt know much about sizing. He is opening in early position. He most likely isn't stealing and most likely likes his hand. I gave him a range of TT+ AQs+, which is 3.77% of hands. Having 32bb, you will be able to get all in with a 3b, cbet, tcbet. with a tight opening range consisting of 25 pair hands (19 of which you crush) and 24 unpaired hands (all of which you crush). All of these hands shift heavily in value on flops. I don't know the % of flops that are going to be dry. 24 of his hands will miss most of the time. 25 hands will want to continue most of the time. That's more than half of his hands no longer necessarily feeling great about continuing.

If you 3bet to something like 2200, you'll have a pot of about 5000 and a remaining stack of 7600, if villain just calls. 25 of those hands will most likely shove on top of your cbet on flops. (19 of which you crush). There's always the chance he wants to put all his chips in with that whole range since you 3bet him.

ltcolumbo

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July 5, 2014 - 3:49 pm

The only “problem” (if it is one) is that you are never folding this line even if he flopped a set of Jacks (or has AA), which is in his range and consistent with his lead each street.

Since you decided to go for stacks when you flatted KK (on a non-ace flop), you cant really play it differently now (post flop) and still be correct in the flat.

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July 14, 2014 - 8:11 pm

Your postflop line is consistent with the way you played it pre – I think c/c and c/shove is the best line if you're going to flat KK in the SB there. But I also see no reason at all to flat it in the SB when 30bb effective. Your range looks really narrow when you flat OOP on that stack size, and it's going to be really hard for you to have many bluffs on a lot of flops. I think this is just a classic case of slowplaying for the sake of slowplaying, which is almost always a bad idea. Just 3bet and get some chips in there preflop.

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