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my 12th hand at tbl, 120 left, 90 ITM, im sitting 5th in chips.
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PokerStars Game #51061760258: Tournament #2010101004, €91+€9 EUR Hold'em No Limit – Level XV (500/1000) – 2010/10/13 20:34:20 ET
Table '2010101004 4' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: scg991 (133479 in chips)
Seat 2: h@nSSS (41955 in chips)
Seat 3: CrackMyQuads (33738 in chips)
Seat 4: raver44 (70835 in chips)
Seat 5: magicdominic (15177 in chips)
Seat 6: Sixcoups (93444 in chips)
Seat 7: KingKongKK67 (123098 in chips)
Seat 8: Dr popy (91599 in chips)
scg991: posts the ante 125
h@nSSS: posts the ante 125
CrackMyQuads: posts the ante 125
raver44: posts the ante 125
magicdominic: posts the ante 125
Sixcoups: posts the ante 125
KingKongKK67: posts the ante 125
Dr popy: posts the ante 125
scg991: posts small blind 500
h@nSSS: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to scg991 [Ks Kd]
CrackMyQuads: folds
raver44: folds
magicdominic: folds
Sixcoups: folds
KingKongKK67: folds
Dr popy: raises 1222 to 2222
scg991: raises 3628 to 5850
h@nSSS: folds
Dr popy: calls 3628
*** FLOP *** [8s 6c 4s]
scg991: bets 6925
Dr popy: raises 7075 to 14000
scg991: calls 7075
*** TURN *** [8s 6c 4s] [9d]
scg991: checks
Dr popy: bets 23000
Action is whited out after flop raise, what you do on flop? and now on turn?
Nothing to be afraid of… yet. Classic bttn raise from a big stack at table. Range can be any two. We're losing to 88, 66, 44 and AA. Flush drws and str8 draws are fav as well. I would like to assume he is not flatting a 3bet with AA pre. Most players are 4betting/shoving there pre, but AA is still a possibility. Other ranges could be 55+, suited connectors 78s+ and gappers 69s+, all broadways and A6s+.
As mention no need to think we're beat by the ck raise. Make the call. I may be off with my line of thinking here but I think we're too deep to be playing for stacks with just an overpr on a very drwy board, so I would consider pt control here and chk turn. Chk/call turn. I say this cause depending on turn card if we bet out he may push leaving us guessing and ultimately making a bad play. If he chk turn behind we can assume we're good and depending on how the board completes we can bet for value or chk call river.
bjizz
I'm def. flatting his flop raise and checking turn and reevaluating what he does. His flop raise size is kind of weird though and I'm really not sure what he is or is trying to represent here.
July 3, 2010
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Cougars4444 said:
I'm def. flatting his flop raise and checking turn and reevaluating what he does. His flop raise size is kind of weird though and I'm really not sure what he is or is trying to represent here.
That's my gut feeling as well although don't you think he will bet almost any turn card that comes?
And if he does bet the Turn he has now committed 40% or more of his stack.
If you highlite the text you can see my flop action and the turn. Anyway I flatted his flop raise, I did think about 3b'n flop small to get him to spazz out but with no history and being new to the tbl I didnt think he was going to all that often and I think all he gets in to a 3b is sets, 2pr and combo draws or flush draws with the A so opted to flat and re-eval. He bets 23k into 41k pot on turn, pretty fast and has like 48k behind, I had no idea what was best here.
Also, I think I should make my 3b bigger pre with these stacks and being OOP.
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March 17, 2010
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ugly spot. I probably give up on the turn once he bets tbh but then it makes just calling the flop bad I think. Maybe it's better to put him to the test on the flop for this reason?
As far as hand analysis goes, We are ahead of:
AA, KK (obv small chance), QQ, JJ, TT, AKs, AQs, 77 (maybe), other random flush draws that he called SCs pf
We are behind:
99, 88, 66, 44
Wouldn't he pot control 77, TT – AA maybe even the FDs. ugh.
Im not flatting his gay miniraise plus a few timbey chips. I think there are to many hands in his range of raising here that your crushing. Yes he could have a set or AA thats called a cooler. But this is a raise. If he has a hand like 1010 or JJ I dont want a queen peeling the turn when hes willing to get it all in on flop. I raise here and get it in. I think your a head way more times then your behind.
July 3, 2010
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I agree with what you said about the 3 bet sizing. With both of your stacks this deep if you make your 3 bet something like 3x or 3.5x he could 4 bet you with weaker hands thinking that you're on the weaker side since your sizing might look like you want the hand to end there when in reality it's for value.
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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raising to something like 29555 might have the same effect too. Looks like you're trying to force him to a decision for a small amount more.
bigdogpckt5s said:
Im not flatting his gay miniraise plus a few timbey chips. I think there are to many hands in his range of raising here that your crushing. Yes he could have a set or AA thats called a cooler. But this is a raise. If he has a hand like 1010 or JJ I dont want a queen peeling the turn when hes willing to get it all in on flop. I raise here and get it in. I think your a head way more times then your behind.
Depends on the player tho, I had just moved tbls so I had no idea how this guy played. On my last tbl it would be a 3b get it in on flop with my image. I agree that were crushing his range right now but we aren't crushing the range that gets it in on the flop when I 3b, so I thought flat and let him fire the turn and c/r all in. If he checks back we can evaluate on river. This ok thinking?
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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I think dog is arguing that you do crush the range that gets it in here + the value you lose when a Q or J come on the turn makes it a 4bet/call.
bigdogpckt5s said:
Im not flatting his gay miniraise plus a few timbey chips. I think there are to many hands in his range of raising here that your crushing. Yes he could have a set or AA thats called a cooler. But this is a raise. If he has a hand like 1010 or JJ I dont want a queen peeling the turn when hes willing to get it all in on flop. I raise here and get it in. I think your a head way more times then your behind.
I agree with this. He can easily have TT or JJ and if that's the case, we are going to get a ton of chips because he's never folding. We also don't want a turn card to come to scare him away, since on the flop he seems pretty comfortable. I definitely raise.
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