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KJs IP in 3bet pot - flopped TP, villain checks turn

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February 22, 2013 - 10:55 pm

Hey guys, this is from the Nigthly 30k on Stars

Villain who squeezed from the SB had been active running 22/18/12 over 126 hands, but was a small winning recreational player according to OPR.

I have an active image running around 20/18/10 and been fortunate to hit a few hands.

Because of both of our images I didnt mind flatting see a hand in position.

Any thoughts on whether to bet turn and what sizing? Also whether to bet river and sizing

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Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t25 – 9 players – View hand 2116098
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

MP1: BB = 54.8, t16453
Hero (MP2): BB = 117.5, t35251
CO: BB = 29.9, t8966
BTN: BB = 26.8, t8038
SB: BB = 60.7, t18209
BB: BB = 24.6, t7392
UTG: BB = 37.0, t11100
UTG+1: BB = 18.4, t5523
UTG+2: BB = 20.8, t6250

Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is MP2 with J of hearts K
4 folds, Hero raises to t600, CO calls t600, 1 fold, SB raises to t1555, 1 fold, Hero calls t955, 1 fold

Flop: (t4235) 2 of spades J 9 (2 players)
SB bets t2345, Hero calls t2345

Turn: (t8925) Q of hearts (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (t8925) 5 of hearts (2 players)
SB checks hero???

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February 23, 2013 - 12:01 am

He's either pot controlling with the intention of check/calling or he has completely given up onthe river as I would expect a blocker / value bet from any decent top pair, overpair or set. Depending on how tricky this player is I would seriously consider a thin value bet on the river. having said that, what worse hands are calling? JT, TT maybe, AK (doubt it), thats about it. What better hands are c/calling or c/raising? KQ, AQ, AJ, KK, AA, JJ, 99 – um on reflection I think I check back with my showdown value.

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February 23, 2013 - 2:47 am

do you check back the turn? i dont

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February 23, 2013 - 12:37 pm

duggs said:

do you check back the turn? i dont

It depends on villain, but its a great card to barrell turn and river as the board is now super wet and villain will have a hard time calling down without significant improvement.

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February 23, 2013 - 2:00 pm

I think checking back turn here vs an agressive opponent is ideal as our hand can’t take a check raise. I think valuebetting river is too thin as we are value owning ourself vs most of his check call range, and if he is tricky he might be able to c/r us off the hand when we have him beat.

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February 23, 2013 - 7:52 pm

but what range of hands that beat us are checking that turn? sets straights flushes QJ all bet, i also think AsQ and AsJ will also bet turn.

I think that makes his checking range look like Jr10s Asx AsKr 109 A10 10sx.

and we also hate almost half the deck on rivers since spades, A K 9 8. 10 is also a pretty yuck card since he wont call with worse but we run into AK a bit.

I we are never realising more equity on the river (since we arent vbetting this river and its in the great half for our hand.)

I think we can bet/call turn if we are confident our opponent wont be grtting out of line with any of his range, but i kinda prefer piling turn.

piling turn is like 1.5x pot and prevents him c/j draws on us, it also forces him to either fold out reasonable equity or make an incorrect call. it also prevents him flatting and us having to fold to a lead on most rivers.

but im not too sure, thoughts?

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February 24, 2013 - 10:01 pm

I think his 3 bet sizing is screaming that he has the nuts. 2.5x the open OOP when the cutoff flats is screaming nutty holding imo. 22/18/12 are very good numbers so if he has ak.aq i think he makes it a lot bigger especially playing this deep. Had he been running 34/26/18 i wouldnt range him on just the nuts.

I still think you are deep enough to flat, that wasn't my point. Im simply breaking down the hand as i would look at it. In fact, im flatting your hand in pos 100% of the time as kj suited can smack flops.

Def calling flop bet,

def checking back turn as i think he could be pot controlling over pairs without FDs. Again, his preflop 3 bet sizing is screaming that he wants action and has the nuts .

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i would lose 5 months of sleep over this decision and nit check back—I think it is a nutty spot for him to bluff catch missed FDs with overpairs

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February 26, 2013 - 2:03 pm

bump more people post, and explain why we check turn?