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K9 resteal with 12BBs?
andinista
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May 28, 2012 - 7:32 am
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20 remain in $5rb on Merge, $40 gtd, $1k up top. Villain has been at table only one hand prior, but he opened it, no other reads on him. 

Is his open into the two shortstack blinds to 2.5x usually very strong?

Ingame I felt it was, but thought the resteal would show a profit if he mucked 25% of the time. Should I be looking for better spots or is this accurate?

 

Merge Network $5,000 Guaranteed – Rebuys / Addon No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t3000.00/t6000.00 Blinds + t600.00 – 7 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

borisvenga7979 (BB): BB = 14.4, t86400
bustnup (UTG): BB = 24.0, t143786
ilfivey (UTG+1): BB = 30.1, t180631
shysox (MP): BB = 45.4, t272395
AuMind (CO): BB = 39.0, t234246
allinthemango69 (BTN): BB = 30.3, t182099
Hero (SB): BB = 11.9, t71293

Pre Flop: (t13200) Hero is SB with K of diamonds 9 of spades
4 folds, allinthemango69 raises to t15600.00, Hero….?

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I think we just should be folding this hand here. From my experience, I would only be raising button to induce a shove from the blinds and open jamming button with my weaker, but still playable hands. A good player will not be opening 2.5x on button and folding to a 12bb reshove from the SB. He will be getting better than 2:1 on a call if you shove, which he is never folding too. I would save your chips and find a better spot to get them in.

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May 28, 2012 - 1:59 pm
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Without reads I fold this spot since our fold equity is very low.  If I've been sitting with someone and they are opening a ton of pots then I'll re-ship. I'd prefer folding and looking for open jam spots since you will have great fold equity.  

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May 28, 2012 - 5:40 pm
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fold this and wait to shove a later hand to double up.  I don't think you have the fold equity to 3 bet shove here…it appears that the button is begging for action with not just one, but two short stacks to act.  This may be a little different if you guys were on the bubble and the bigger stack was looking to put pressure on you guys, but in this case don't mind mucking and getting another orbit to double up.

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May 28, 2012 - 9:07 pm
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“Is his open into the two shortstack blinds to 2.5x usually very strong?”

So villain dependent – I think a lot of people still don't play stack aware poker all the time. This hand is really marginal but I'd be tempted to rip it in. 

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May 28, 2012 - 9:31 pm
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FkCoolers said:

“Is his open into the two shortstack blinds to 2.5x usually very strong?”

So villain dependent – I think a lot of people still don't play stack aware poker all the time. This hand is really marginal but I'd be tempted to rip it in. 

+1,

 

i think K9suited is def a ship, and KTo is def a ship, K9o is really close and can go either way i think

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cliffs: Against villain’s likely range it is an unexploitable reshove, and even against the tightest of ranges i think it is pretty close as well. so all in all i definitely shove

 

this is a great spot for the pushbot spreadsheet. (google “pushbot spreadsheet” and it is in the first link if you want it)

 

as you can see, all of the hand data is put in on the right.

 

for the first calculation i made i put in an opening range of all broadways, all aces, and all pocket pairs for villain which is about 30% of hands. given that there are some short stacks in the blinds i dont think he opens much wider but let me know if anyone thinks differently.

 

next, on the bottom left you put how often you think the villain will raise-fold, i only put 15% in there.

 

on the left of the screen is the range you should be shoving with – blacked out means it is an unexploitable reshove even if villain never folds, and the other numbers are the point at which it becomes +EV to reshove. as you can see K9s is an unexploitable reshove, villain would need to fold 9.1% of the time for K9o to be a reshove.

 

The tighest villain range here would be something like 11% which is 55+, A8s+, KQ, ATo, and with this range villain would have to fold 17% of that for K9s to be a +EV reshove. if he opens that range but folds 55,66,A8, A9 then that would definitely be 17%. This is shown below

 

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May 29, 2012 - 11:47 am
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NP Benny, thanks for doing the math on this spot. 

I'm happy with the ship. I think it would take stronger ICM considerations for this to be a fold, such as a payjump or other much shorter stacks.

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