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K5s stealing on the BTN
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Hello

IPoker, $2.73 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager – The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 6,080 (30.4 bb)
BB: 12,765 (63.8 bb)
UTG+1: 8,386 (41.9 bb)
UTG+2: 8,433 (42.2 bb)
MP1: 13,024 (65.1 bb)
MP2: 3,127 (15.6 bb)
MP3: 1,952 (9.8 bb)
CO: 7,819 (39.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): 12,110 (60.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Kclub 5club
6 folds, Hero raises to 400, SB folds, BB calls 200

Flop: (1,125) Aspade 5diamond 6heart (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (1,125) 9diamond (2 players)
BB bets 400, Hero calls 400

River: (1,925) 5heart (2 players)
BB bets 800, Hero raises to 2,600, BB raises to 5,800, Hero ??

Watching the hand now I am not sure that reraise i make OTR is good, there is no marginal hands to call, just monsters hands or air, is that correct? Maybe some weak aces that can call.

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there is no marginal hands to call, just monsters hands or air,”

Why do you say that?

Also bet the flop. You’re basically turning your hand into a bluff by betting, but I think it’s too vulnerable to check. Speaking of which, as played, fold the turn.

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Foucault said
there is no marginal hands to call, just monsters hands or air,”

Why do you say that?

I think V can bluff 8x 7x, perhapps some busted diamond draws that he get OTT.

Maybe 9x or weak Ace for marginal hands?

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Also bet the flop. You’re basically turning your hand into a bluff by betting, but I think it’s too vulnerable to check.

I have missed that, if was a hand like K9 on A96 rainbow, I should consider more for showdown value?

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Speaking of which, as played, fold the turn.

For the 3bet right? Do you think the reraise OTR is good?

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Yeah, I don’t see why you say there are no marginal hands that pay us on the river. As played the villain has a lot of worst hands that would call a raise. In fact I’d say the vast majority of his range is marginal hands. A9, A6, 9x, worst 5x and probably a lot of Ax. His only monsters can be A5, 65, 95, 66 or 99 and I think 99 would have probably raised pre to a button open. 

Once he goes all-in in the river I think we have to call and hope he has A9, A6 or any 5x. I don’t see how we can fold our trips.

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almo,

Yes, there’s more of a case for checking K9 on A96, as you say.

I don’t know what you’re referring to when you say “For the 3bet”. I’m talking about folding when Villain bets the turn.

Yes, I think you should raise the river, and I guess I call the 3bet, I agree it feels gross but you’re getting good odds and there’s a chance he’s got worse for value.

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Foucault said

I don’t know what you’re referring to when you say “For the 3bet”. I’m talking about folding when Villain bets the turn.

Ops, sorry, I read “fold the river” not “fold the turnembarassed

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Foucault said
almo,

Yes, there’s more of a case for checking K9 on A96, as you say.

I don’t know what you’re referring to when you say “For the 3bet”. I’m talking about folding when Villain bets the turn.

Yes, I think you should raise the river, and I guess I call the 3bet, I agree it feels gross but you’re getting good odds and there’s a chance he’s got worse for value.

can you develop your thoughts on this? 

K9/A96 vs K5/A65 what is the difference to decide whether to check or bet when holding a low/middle pairs?

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Why don’t you do your best to determine the difference yourself, and then I will give you feedback on your thought process. I suspect that if you try, you will figure it out.

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I agree, as played fold the turn. If we c-bet the flop and get called at least we can narrow V’s range a little and probably check-check the turn and still see the river. If V c/r the flop, easy fold.

As played, on the river, I’m not sure why we’d be afraid to raise. There are are more hands we are ahead of than not: weak A, a lot of two-pair hands, second-pair hands and passive 77-99 or even TT that might pay us off. As for better hands….
– The case 5 making a boat is pretty hard to have.
– 67 may take this line but straights are hard to have.
– Some slow-played sets might take this line, but the turn bet is so small. Still some players might do this because they feel they have to bet but don’t want to look scary.

I think V could still be re-raising with worse, though I’d reduce the range to some weak Ax, passive 77+, and 2-pairs and some boats and straghts, or even re-stealing with air some times since it looks like we are reping the 5 and making a random steal attempt (unlikely, though we actually have it here). 

I wouldn’t jam over the top of V’s re-raise but I’m calling the river, hoping I’m still ahead.

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Foucault said
Why don’t you do your best to determine the difference yourself, and then I will give you feedback on your thought process. I suspect that if you try, you will figure it out.

ok let’s start, 

so I guess, you prefer X on A96r with your K9 because of the showdown value and to keep vilain range wide with his 9x, 6x, weak pairs. call a bet on the flop, may be bluffcatch on the river after checking turn, but if he fires again on the turn, you are in a bad shape and don’t know too much where you are at and may be fold the best hand.

On the A65r, CB and try to take down the pot, make him fold a bunch of Qx, Jx, Tx, maybe middle, low pairs,…

in the last case, in my opinion, you will not get too much fold and you will find yourself on the turn with a weak hand except if you hit your K or 5. You don’t have any backdoor equity, at least a club on the flop will be better for your Kc5c.

so if you CB this board, why not CB the first one? you can get the same amount of fold, and also be call by worse 9x, 6x, so you can get one or even 2 street of value? by checking you also let villain realize his equity?

in both case you’ve got a range advantage and vilain will hit roughly both board at the same %, and will continue 45% to 50% of the time.

🙂 this is my thought at the end I still don’t what is the best. I think I will CB at a high frequency in this situation like 1/3 pot, also depending on villain type. In any case, I don’t find a big difference in these boards, so CB both, X both with my range

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