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September 14, 2014
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#Game No : 643457010
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 643457010 *****
$600/$1,200 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #63530731 $2.70 + $0.30 – Table #16 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: LoneWolffff ( $31,428 )
Seat 2: TagiiL ( $8,586 )
Seat 3: RockLiemansk ( $16,920 )
Seat 4: JohannesAK ( $13,472 )
Seat 5: london_ace ( $40,456 )
Seat 6: dymek470 ( $10,594 )
Seat 7: toeff33 ( $46,877 )
Seat 9: marialves59 ( $35,815 )
Seat 10: jonkordic27 ( $25,514 )
RockLiemansk posts ante [$120]
marialves59 posts ante [$120]
dymek470 posts ante [$120]
JohannesAK posts ante [$120]
toeff33 posts ante [$120]
TagiiL posts ante [$120]
jonkordic27 posts ante [$120]
LoneWolffff posts ante [$120]
london_ace posts ante [$120]
JohannesAK posts small blind [$600]
london_ace posts big blind [$1,200]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ J
, T ]
dymek470 folds
toeff33 folds
marialves59 raises [$2,400]
jonkordic27 folds
LoneWolffff folds
TagiiL folds
RockLiemansk folds
JohannesAK folds
london_ace calls [$1,200]
** Dealing flop ** [ 8
, 9, 4
]
london_ace checks
marialves59 bets [$3,240]
london_ace calls [$3,240]
** Dealing turn ** [ 3 ]
london_ace checks
marialves59 checks
** Dealing river ** [ K ]
london_ace checks
marialves59 checks
Heeeey.
Not much reads on v , they've not been active from what i've seen.
I was debating to myself as whether i should c/r here or just c/c. h Which line do you take and why?
the answer is prolly “it depends”
depends on your opponent , reads help , but we've not got much reads here. Against a looser opponent that opens up often i think c/r is pretty good here because they'll be folding a bunch to our semi bluff. Against a tighter opponent i think c/c is better as theiir range will be tighter and it's unlikely we're gunna get a fold unless we triple barrell bluff (assuming we don't hit)
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December 6, 2012
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Start by thinking about how wide your value range would be, because that determines your bluffing range. There aren't many hands you could check-raise for value here against an EP raiser, and probably I'd just check-call my whole range. I would bluff the river, though. You've got J-high so even a smallish bluff designed to fold out AQ/AJ should be better than checking.
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cheers Andrew , i must say i don't do that often , i dont tend to think how wide my value range would be when i call the flop so basically what you're saying is what is the top/medium/bottom of my c/c range yeh?,
the reason why i never bluffed river is because i put them on overpairs like TT-AA since its an ep raise and all.., I never did like the K on the river , if they've got any k they are likely to call as well.
I'm curious as to why u think bluffing river is good? we don't have showdown value thats for sure but what are we repping…K9s? a flush that got their on the river? i guess their is a few hands that we can rep come to think of it. I also think that their range seems weighted more towards marginal hands , i think most overpairs will bet turn on this draw yheav board , so yeah i should had discounted that from their range.
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folding_aces_pre_yo said:
cheers Andrew , i must say i don't do that often , i dont tend to think how wide my value range would be when i call the flop so basically what you're saying is what is the top/medium/bottom of my c/c range yeh?,
the reason why i never bluffed river is because i put them on overpairs like TT-AA since its an ep raise and all.., I never did like the K on the river , if they've got any k they are likely to call as well.
I'm curious as to why u think bluffing river is good? we don't have showdown value thats for sure but what are we repping…K9s? a flush that got their on the river? i guess their is a few hands that we can rep come to think of it. I also think that their range seems weighted more towards marginal hands , i think most overpairs will bet turn on this draw yheav board , so yeah i should had discounted that from their range.
It's easier to be dealt AQ/AJ (28 combos, given your blocker) than TT+ (26 combos). Even if V plays both this way, he has to look you up REALLY often to make a 1/3 pot bet more profitable than checking when you have practically 0 showdown value. Have you seen my bluffing series? The right question to ask is usually “how wide should my bluffing range be” rather than “is this a good spot to bluff”?
Also why do you think you need a hand as strong as two-pair to value bet the river after V checks back turn?
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Foucault said:
I'm curious as to why u think bluffing river is good? we don't have showdown value thats for sure but what are we repping…K9s? a flush that got their on the river? i guess their is a few hands that we can rep come to think of it. I also think that their range seems weighted more towards marginal hands , i think most overpairs will bet turn on this draw yheav board , so yeah i should had discounted that from their range.
It's easier to be dealt AQ/AJ (28 combos, given your blocker) than TT+ (26 combos). Even if V plays both this way, he has to look you up REALLY often to make a 1/3 pot bet more profitable than checking when you have practically 0 showdown value. Have you seen my bluffing series? The right question to ask is usually “how wide should my bluffing range be” rather than “is this a good spot to bluff”?
Also why do you think you need a hand as strong as two-pair to value bet the river after V checks back turn?
I've not watched the bluffing series , I will have to, because it seems im struggling in this area.
I never did say we need a strong hand as two-pair to value bet river. I was saying what are we repping when we take a stab on the river.
I actually think bluffing the Kd river is good , when v checks back turn it's unlikely they've got a hand with a diamond init (draw) , like AhQd for instance , most diamonds would be bet on the turn. So i think my bluffing range should be wide on the river. I also think any card that completes a straight is a good card to bluff on a jack or ten for instance. Although we've now got showdown value (a pair) i would turn my hand into a bluff here.
not sure if you would agree with this , but that's what i'd do.
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I guess I'm disagreeing that a river bet would rep K9 or a flush as opposed to T9 or something like that. I certainly wouldn't expect Villain to fold any hand that beats T9 but not K9. I also don't think it matters that much that V isn't likely to have diamonds, though I agree that he isn't. The only thing that really matters here is that he's going to have no pair at all pretty often, and you can't even beat that. I don't think turning a pair into a bluff would be a good idea for that reason. If you're betting a T river, it's for value.
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