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June 2, 2013
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Hello!
Weird action on the flop here, should i let TP go, or should i call this? I was going to call a check raise from one player, not much happy about it actually, but when the second guy 3bets things get scary hehehe… Thoughts?
Merge, $800 Buy-in (250/500 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 7 Players
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SB: 8,300 (16.6 bb)
BB: 15,730 (31.5 bb)
MP1: 6,267 (12.5 bb)
MP2: 14,792 (29.6 bb)
Hero (MP3): 11,635 (23.3 bb)
CO: 4,555 (9.1 bb)
BTN: 9,424 (18.8 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J
T
2 folds, Hero raises to 1,000, 2 folds, SB calls 750, BB calls 500
Flop: (3,350) J 8
2 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 1,385, SB raises to 5,975, BB raises to 14,680 and is all-in, Hero ???
December 30, 2015
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I might call the SB. 14BB might shove to protect with any top pair or take a risk turning second-pair in to a semi-bluff-squeeze…but then why not shove? Completing from such a short stack can’t be too weak and that raise shows commitment and perhaps he is just leaving room for someone to shove on purpose. The more I think about it the more the SB worries me.
When the BB re-raises I think it is a clear fold. I expect to see some KJ/AJ shoving to iso the short stack. J8+ can probably go either way but a lot of people just shove any strong hand when the effective stacks are shallow and it goes bet-raise. I can’t imagine any worse Js doing this…maybe some agro open-ended. JJ+ and some AJ+ are probably 3-betting or even shoving PF against our stack. Some QJ-AJ may just call PF. It is sort of an awkward effective stack, isn’t it?
April 9, 2016
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I assume SB is a recreational player. Flatting an open with 16bb stack from sb is not a good play at all. SPR on the flop is close to 2. I expect SB to checkraise any JX, 8X and T9. I expect him to slowplay his 22 and 88 if he has it in his range. It is a call vs SB in my opinion.
When BB 3bets, as MovieFX says i expect at least QJ. I fold JT. I would call here with AJ, overpairs and better.
May 19, 2016
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We’ve all seen people slow play QQ+ , by my eyes in a very similar situation that took me out not once but twice in a very recent memory. I shutter at the thought.
However unusual the fact is it can still happen.
Just remember: Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth. 
Of coarse I’m not Sherlock, and maybe utterly wrong. But hey they were great reads!
Pre-Flop action:
Hero 2 bets pre, SB and BB call
Both have huge percentage of ranges at this point and we have no reads on either, therefore, can’t assume anything about either.
Flop action:
Two checks, Hero bets, SB 3 bets, BB shove 
Well this is a conundrum isn’t it? Hero gets check raised by not one but both of the V’s. (dang it man)
Personally I’m folding but I’m not that sophisticated yet in my play as to call such moves by other players that are unknown.
SB has committed him/her/itself to the pot begging to be called, Enter BB doing so and doing so whole heartedly.
Don’t know how it played out but am thinking one has two pair (J8) and the other trips (22). Who has what I don’t know, just what I think.
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December 6, 2012
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Naming a few select hands that each of these players could have is not the best way to approach the situation. We need to see some ranges and equity calcs. If you aren’t sure what I mean: …..os-part-1/
May 1, 2016
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Okay, as per Foucalt’s advice, again, performing some equity calculations.
Here are the ranges I gave each player.
SB: 88+,22,AJs,A8s,KJs,K8s,QJs,Q8s,J6s+,T8s+,98s,86s+,AJo,A8o,KJo,K8o,QJo,Q8o,J8o+,T8o+,98o. Now, I know this might seem excessive, but simply given his preflop action it would be easy to assume he’s more of a gambler, and willing to play back at you with hands like J6s and A8o after this flop. I’ll leave the big pairs in there having seen them slowplayed so often lately.
BB in my mind has a much tighter range now with the action in front of him. I gave him JJ+,88,22,AJs,KJs,QJs,JTs,T9s,AJo,KJo,QJo.
You might disagree with those ranges, but they make sense to me. Now, for the equity. You have a whopping 14.45% equity against those ranges combined.
We should stop right there IMO. This becomes a fold instantaneously, seeing as you have a side pot against the stronger range. Your equity in the side is only slightly over 20% (20.06%). There’s no need to calculate the amount you have in each pot, it’s a fold. BUT, let’ do it for fun!
We assume SB calls off his remaining 1,275 no matter what you do (a safe assumption IMO).
Main pot will have 19,235 (3,350 PF, 7,250 from the SB and BB, and your 1,385) before your call. Your equity is 14.45%. So
0.1445*19,235 = 2,779
and you’ll lose
0.8555*7,250 (the remaining amount due for the SB and the main pot) = 6,202. That combines for a -3,423 EV decision in the main.
In the side, your equity against the BB is awful. 20.06%.
0.2006*3,900 (twice the remaining amount in your stack that goes into the side with the BB) = 782 and
0.7994*3,900 = 3,118. Combined its an EV of -2,336.
Both EVs combined are -5,759, or almost 6 bigs!
It’s a fold. Don’t blame you for the flop c-bet, the only thing I could say is so shallow J 10o might be a fold pre, but that depends on numerous other factors like your image, who’s in the blinds, etc.
Hope I helped!
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