September 14, 2014
Hey
I've been reading Jonathan little's secrets of proffesional tournaments poker.
In his book he says:
“suppose someone raises UTG and you have 7:spade 6:spade on the button if you all have over 80bb or so , you should call this raise every time.”
what he's trying to say is that because its likely that UTG raising range consist of big pairs and big cards if you connect well with the flop you're likely to win a big pot , you have huge implied odds.
whilst thats true , i just dont think we're going to outflop our opponent that often enough to make a call pre profitable with those type of hands. I mean the likely hood of hero hitting a straight or flush is not very likely plus we can always be dominated by better flushes , unless of course we call with a hand like AXs , as they make the nut flush. Even then with those type of hands we have to be careful as we can be dominated by a bettter kicker.
I just want to find out if my thoughts are correct here. I reckon we can play these type of hands (we can call) against players that we have read on that are playing a tight range. So basically if we can cap their range to only big hands we can put a lot of pressure on them post flop. So here's a example blinds $50/$100 , 100bb effective, UTG raises $200 , we flat with Td9d BTN. Flop 6h 9c 2h (pot $550) v bets 1/2 pot , well here we can either float or raise. Lets say we call pot now is $1100 , turn is 3 v bets $850 pot is $1950 , now there range seems pretty strong like overpairs with a they also may bet with AK , hero could now raise and turn our hand into a bluff and represent a flush, hero could easily have flushes in our range. If v calls hero's raise on the turn we can shove river on pretty much any non heart river. If v checks a rivered heart we can still shove to get them to fold weaker flushes like TT/JJ and maybe QQ.
we could also play our draws aggressively and represent a lot of hands by raising flops c/r turns or leading out turns ect as these sorta flops dont really connect with a UTG raising range .we can cap their range and get them to fold these 1 pair hands , so i reckon playing a wider range from the button vs a tighter range can be profitable , espically if u have good skills post flop and if your opponent is not willing to stack of with 80bb+ with a pair. Thing is though our implied odds are not always going to be great because good players dont really tend to stack of with a pair when deep stacked anyway.
i'm just really unsure on whether i should be flatting pre often with these marginal hands against a ep or or mp raise readless? also what would u do in a spot where like there's a ep raise and 4-5 callers and ur on the button with a hand like 56s? are we calling there when we are deep? or do u prefer 3-betting there or just folding?
I really do prefer 3-betting those type of hands rather then flatting because at least then we have some fold equity against a loose opener , agianst a tight opponent i reckon flatting or maybe even folding is OK , depending on your post flop skills and your opponents post flop tendencies like if they play straightforward.
cheers!
TPE Pro
December 6, 2012
“Implied odds” is about more than just stacking someone when you make a big hand. The fact that you can sometimes take pots away, as you describe, also increases your ability to realize more than your share of equity. At 80bb, I wouldn't call a large raise from a very tight player, because that isn't really a lot of room to take someone off a big hand nor a lot to win on the rare occasion that you make a big hand. But against a wider range or with more $ behind or facing a smaller raise, I like the call. Having the button matters a lot here too, it hurts you a lot if you call in MP and someone calls behind you.
Having the button and position in these kinds of spots is huge. We can apply pressure, we have position and alot more information. Against straght-forward opponents that are going to cbet, check turn we can easily take away pots without having to apply too much pressure later in the hands. Add the value of our 'sneakier' made hands when villains make a hand and these can be quite profitable spots.
Wanted to point out that its not possible for us to c/r or lead out turns when we have position on the button as per your example folding_aces.
September 14, 2014
I meant hero can bet turn when checked too or raise turn. I've been doing that quite a lot lately, thanks for that! 🙂
Lol jonathan also said something like we can flat suited connectors from the button even when we are like 30bb effective also in regards to bluffing he would never run (very unlikely) a huge bluff in a tournament because its too much of a risk, If we get called we are out of the tournement. He's a really good poker player though , so he must be doing something right?
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