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Hey TPE nation!
I have been playing a few tournaments today, and everytime i seem to face JJ's with my AA or KK and then loose, i know that is just bad luck.
The thing i wanna hear your thoughts about is this hand i played in a 1$ tournament on PS.
Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t400/t800 Blinds + t75 – 9 playersDeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Nosmoot (MP2): BB = 60.6, t48520MOONRAY04 (CO): BB = 41.2, t32990Bootliner (BTN): BB = 14.9, t11940tadsio (SB): BB = 15.6, t12509gjsqjqrkddml (BB): BB = 48.1, t38459tanja uicker (UTG): BB = 61.2, t48930amsteloviets (UTG+1): BB = 16.5, t13230Der G�k (UTG+2): BB = 55.0, t44000Hero (MP1): BB = 26.9, t21514
Pre Flop: (t1875) Hero is MP1 with J
J
1 fold, [color=red]amsteloviets raises to t1600[/color], 1 fold, [color=red]Hero raises to t3200[/color], 2 folds, [color=red]Bootliner raises to t11865 all in[/color], 2 folds, [color=red]amsteloviets raises to t13155 all in[/color], Hero calls t9955
Flop: (t40050) 8
8 K [color=blue](3 players – 2 are all in)[/color]
Turn: (t40050) 9 [color=blue](3 players – 2 are all in)[/color]
River: (t40050) 6 [color=blue](3 players – 2 are all in)[/color]
Should i have folded?
June 22, 2010
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I tried to follow your hand best I could a lot of the HTML code came through, if you could be so kind and try the TPE hand converter next time, instead of DC.
I hate Jacks as well, I call them dumb and dumber. Out of position like you were, I will try to make it to flop as cheap as I can, I do not like calling a huge raises after me or a shove, unless I have a huge stack. Your raise was weak from your position, I would have went 3x. Early position with 20-30 BB, I do not want to get to crazy preflop with my stack. In position I will go with some aggression depending on my reads. Jacks have always been a thorn in my side and I am still learing how to play them.
"Your either in Sheen's Korner or your with the trolls."
Hey, thanks for your coment.
i tried to convert with the TPE converter again and this is what i got:
Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t400/t800 Blinds + t75 – 9 playersDeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Nosmoot (MP2): BB = 60.6, t48520MOONRAY04 (CO): BB = 41.2, t32990Bootliner (BTN): BB = 14.9, t11940tadsio (SB): BB = 15.6, t12509gjsqjqrkddml (BB): BB = 48.1, t38459tanja uicker (UTG): BB = 61.2, t48930amsteloviets (UTG+1): BB = 16.5, t13230Der G�k (UTG+2): BB = 55.0, t44000Hero (MP1): BB = 26.9, t21514
Pre Flop: (t1875) Hero is MP1 with J J1 fold, [color=red]amsteloviets raises to t1600[/color], 1 fold, [color=red]Hero raises to t3200[/color], 2 folds, [color=red]Bootliner raises to t11865 all in[/color], 2 folds, [color=red]amsteloviets raises to t13155 all in[/color], Hero calls t9955
Flop: (t40050) 8 8 K [color=blue](3 players – 2 are all in)[/color]
Turn: (t40050) 9 [color=blue](3 players – 2 are all in)[/color]
River: (t40050) 6 [color=blue](3 players – 2 are all in)[/color]
Thats one tough hh to read!!!
Its probs reads on villain dependant, but you should defo have a plan. When you 3bet, know what youre going to do if he 4bets. If we have no reads and 3bet an utg+1 open, its probs worth a fold to a 4bet. Knowing that, maybe we just flat and evaluate the flop. Maybe call 1 bet on flop and give up to more pressure – costs us 4bb and we see a flop in pos, whereas the 3bet costs 4bb and we really should be folding to a 4bet from utg+1.
However, if you have reads to tell you he's doing this with any pair (55+), then we can get it in.
Never stop playing JJ, just have a plan, and play them well!
i agree with praetor and sammy, i would 3bet to around 4300-4500 to the utg open and call his shove if folded back to him but when the btn shoves and utg shoves too i am laying this one down most of the time unless i have a good read on the situation. most of the time we are flipping at best and usually way behind.
June 22, 2010
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EJBPoker said:
Hey, thanks for your coment.
i tried to convert with the TPE converter again and this is what i got:
I wil bring it up to RFB maybe he has a suggestion or something needs to be tweaked with the HH converter.
"Your either in Sheen's Korner or your with the trolls."
October 6, 2010
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best piece of advice i have heard about jacks – play them like you play Tens, not like you play Queens.
bennymacca said:
best piece of advice i have heard about jacks – play them like you play Tens, not like you play Queens.
QFT
yeah i agree, i normally play them like pocket 8's.
The whole play them like 8's not like Queens is Far too simple.
Yes they can be difficult to play post flop but we arent looking to flop a set everytime in order to know that we have the best hand.
A combination of decent preflop play combined with reasonable hand reading makes difficult hands easiar to play.
Wow nice guys, great to get this much response.
My first post here on the forum, so really a nice experience.
I have found that I can run deeper in MTT's if, when I get JJ, I just give someone half my stack. 🙂
JJ is the kiss of death, every time I get them the first thing I say is, Oh Shit!
With that said, I will play them pretty aggro pre but I will no call a shove pre, unless I know the villian is very loose or he is a shorty.
Post flop I play them like pocket 8's.
Video is Hilarious!! 
October 6, 2010
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wilmont said:
Post flop I play them like pocket 8's.
so what, you check fold if it comes T9X?
No but if the flop comes with an A K or Q I will play them like 72off. 🙂
October 6, 2010
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wilmont said:
No but if the flop comes with an A K or Q I will play them like 72off. 🙂
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