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55$ freeze out, I'm new at the table without reads.
is it a snap shove or a fold ???
Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t100.00/t200.00 Blinds – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
SJCPokerrrrStar (UTG+1): t6747.00 33.73 BBs
dodipapa (UTG+2): t8800.00 44 BBs
brody_booy (MP1): t6120.00 30.60 BBs
icallyourbluffX (MP2): t11052.00 55.26 BBs
Pypy01 (CO): t6327.00 31.64 BBs
billy_gr (BTN): t12365.00 61.83 BBs
H-MariaSeppala (SB): t4041.00 20.20 BBs
kid_bramm (BB): t10550.00 52.75 BBs
Alzam888 (UTG): t5077.00 25.39 BBs
Pre Flop: (t300) brody_booy is MP1 with J
J
1 fold, SJCPokerrrrStar calls t200, 1 fold, brody_booy raises to t700, icallyourbluffX raises to t1975, 5 folds
June 22, 2010
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This is a tough call. He could be bullying you because you are new to the table and his stack size is good. On the other hand he could have been dealt something good. His 3-bet is not a normal 2x,2.5x or 3x. If his bet was normal I would be inclined to shove because he is probably playing a specific 3-bet strategy but because it is 2.82x I would play it safe and lay it down and get a read on him. Part of me really likes the shove here but I am very mathematically based and unusual bet amounts hide deception quite well. Even if you are good here it could become a race post flop. I am interested what the Pro's say on this because I hate these situation and I sometimes think I over analyze stuff.
P.
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July 3, 2010
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No antes and no reads = I fold
I'm folding as new to table and stage of tourney. Then 'nh' when he shows 88……..
Well I guess I have a differnt opinion then everyone here. I dont think this is a fold. I think shoving here is fine if he has 1 of the 3 hands that dominate you pre its a cooler. I think you get folds here in this spot with no reads etc plenty enough times to make this shove pos ev.
July 3, 2010
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bigdogpckt5s said:
Well I guess I have a differnt opinion then everyone here. I dont think this is a fold. I think shoving here is fine if he has 1 of the 3 hands that dominate you pre its a cooler. I think you get folds here in this spot with no reads etc plenty enough times to make this shove pos ev.
After an EP limp and our raise what range would you put an unknown on when he sticks in this re-raise on us? Has to be on the snug side, no?
I'm thinking TT+, AQs, and AK.
I'm guessing you say jam because it's a 30 bb stack.
What stack size do you draw the line at, bigdog? You making this same play on a 40-50 bb stack?
TPE Pro
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July 20, 2010
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villain has no reads on you either so they need a monster. with no antes it could be a fold but considering your stack it could be go time. its a funny spot with all considered 10 10 is a fold and QQ im Never folding so i prolly lean towards ship it!
happy to see that it'a tough spot cause like ttwist said, I would never fold QQ and I insta-fold TT.
My “thinking process” is like everybody said : No antes, no read = easy fold and that is what I did.
Bigdog, I watched almost all of your videos and your opinion is really appreciate and important form me.
bigdogpckt5s said:
Well I guess I have a differnt opinion then everyone here. I dont think this is a fold. I think shoving here is fine if he has 1 of the 3 hands that dominate you pre its a cooler. I think you get folds here in this spot with no reads etc plenty enough times to make this shove pos ev.
After a 3bet at 10bb's, i don't think we have “that big” of FE, ( he just has 20bb's more to call). I probably wrong, but it's rare that someone 3bet/fold a 30bb's stack especially in early stages cause the most of the time it's a 3bet for value.
wow, interesting reads. i now no my game is way off that i could not even think of folding jj here.
bjizz
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March 17, 2010
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I would fold here. I think his range is QQ+, AK. I don't think TT or AQ do this enough to make shoving profitable.
Kinda interesting that big dog thinks differently than everyone else tho.
I jam as well…..everyone at your table but sb is at least 30bbs deep…..perfect spot for him to 3b light here against your stack size especially with other stack sizes at table. Like bigdog said if he does happen to have 1 of 3 hands chalk it up to a cooler and flop a Jack.
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