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February 17, 2014
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The villain is a 21/8. Even though the river is a great card for him to bluff, what made me suspicious about this one is his flop check/call, I guess that might narrow him to something like TT, 9x, 8x, TJ, 67?
The turn is not good, because a couple hands I could extract value from have improved (67, TT). His check might seem weak but now I have a straight draw to go with my overpair so I dont mind keeping it small and getting a free river.
When he bets the river so big and oop I cant see myself beating much (a bluff and what else?) so I dont see any reason why to call.
Interested on hearing your opinion!
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Poker Stars $15.00+$1.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t200/t400 Blinds + t50 – 7 players – View hand 2605730
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Frank Inori (CO): BB = 13.3, t5320
juanbonber (BTN): BB = 26.4, t10542
VICTOR TXR1 (SB): BB = 32.0, t12802
BreninhoSJ (BB): BB = 16.8, t6710
Hero (UTG): BB = 17.8, t7130
Maxexxl (UTG+1): BB = 31.4, t12559
ael1979 (MP): BB = 45.7, t18298
Pre Flop: (t950) Hero is UTG with J
J
Hero raises to t888, 3 folds, juanbonber calls t888, VICTOR TXR1 calls t688, BreninhoSJ calls t488
Flop: (t3902) 9
8 9 (4 players)
VICTOR TXR1 checks, BreninhoSJ checks, Hero bets t1777, juanbonber folds, VICTOR TXR1 calls t1777, BreninhoSJ folds
Turn: (t7456) T (2 players)
VICTOR TXR1 checks, Hero checks
River: (t7456) 6 (2 players)
VICTOR TXR1 bets t3887, Hero folds
Final Pot: t7456
VICTOR TXR1 wins t7456
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September 28, 2012
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Bet bigger on flop, bet turn, and call river as played.
Pre: Standard, utg though I may make my raising size like 925-950
Flop: Bet bigger 4 ways. I say like 2.3-2.4k is good
Turn: Definitely bet. His range is still massively weighted to hands you beatr(8x, pps, fd) and giving him a free chase with a FD is not good.
River: His range has very few 7x. He may have nutted the flop iwth something like 89/88, and thats the main thing I am concerned with(with some A7ss/87 type hands thrown in). We are geting good odds. I expect to be good a lot.'
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He may even be trying to value bet a Tx type hand
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December 6, 2012
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What do you mean by “bet the river so big”? It's barely half the pot. I think the turn check is fine, and although I agree that you only beat a bluff, I disagree that he can't have bluffs based on the flop call. What about missed spades?
September 14, 2014
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This seems like a weird spot and the more i look at this hand the more complicated it seems!
I mean come on , Stacks are very shallow here , hero has 17bb pre to begin with , otf when he makes that bet he's left with like 10bb , can't we just shove turn? don't think we will be in terrible shape , we've got a overpair+ a draw…
when this opponent c/c flop don't you think it's very much unlikely that they've got a hand like JQ or a flush draw in their range, given that we hold JJ there's very few cominations for a hand like JQ which makes me think it's more less likely that they've got a straight draw here , i'd also imagine that with a flushdraw they'll c/jam these hands at these effective stacks anyway.
they could call with trips like A9s K9s T9s from the bb which obv improve otf. IMO you'll be getting called by made hands rather then hands that need to improve. I also think most pocket pairs will be folded on this flop.
all in all its just a weird line by v, i just can't see myself getting away from this hand once we are called otf.
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December 6, 2012
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folding_aces_pre_yo said:
This seems like a weird spot and the more i look at this hand the more complicated it seems!
I mean come on , Stacks are very shallow here , hero has 17bb pre to begin with , otf when he makes that bet he's left with like 10bb , can't we just shove turn? don't think we will be in terrible shape , we've got a overpair+ a draw…
I'd advise a higher standard for putting your last 10BB in the pot voluntarily (ie when you have the option to see the river for free) than “well I won't be in terrible shape”. Instead of focusing on how far behind you won't be, try to think about how jamming the turn could affect the equity in the hand. Will V call from behind? Will he fold hands with significant equity?
On another note, are there any hands with which you would check the turn and call the river?
October 21, 2013
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I agree the default line should be bet flop, bet(/fold) turn and check call river but…what about check shoving flop ? i mean given the fact we have Js, even if, worst case scenario, it checks trough and we dont get a chance to check shove, we still have good “coverage” for many turns (spades, T,7, Q) and we get to see not only what D does (i mean if D checks, he caps his range unless he has an unvulnerable hand, and we basically know we have a better hand than him) but also what SB and BB do on the turn again…sure we are gonna miss some value from fd and pp but all this we ll give us much more info overall and the more info we have the better decisions we are gonna make imo…
September 14, 2014
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i guess by checking we allow v to take a stab at that the river, especially if the river does not complete a flush we should be more inclined to call.
as for which hands i'd check back on the turn it'll be hands mainly that have some showdown value/bluff catching value, and i think JJ will play well as a bluff catcher? I'd check back turn and call a river bet with JJ/QQ/KK/AA.
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December 6, 2012
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folding_aces_pre_yo said:
as for which hands i'd check back on the turn it'll be hands mainly that have some showdown value/bluff catching value, and i think JJ will play well as a bluff catcher? I'd check back turn and call a river bet with JJ/QQ/KK/AA.
I thought you were arguing for shoving the turn with JJ?
September 14, 2014
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‘m just saying that ingame i will shove turn , i think that there’s a good chance flush draws will call , i’m just surprised if v is on Flush draw why not just c/shove flop since the stacks are really shallow?
also if v was on a hand like JQ (which i think is rather unlikely) they’ll probably bet turn so when they check , i kinda discount trips and any other strong hands in their c/c range which they peeled otf.
what’s the possiblity that v could be slow playing a strong hand here given how shallow we are? does it increase that chance? so at the same time it kinda does make me wanna check back here and take that free card , i dunno this post is kinda confusing lol.
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December 30, 2013
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all i can say is that i folded in a similar spot, and then ran some numbers on it later, and was shocked to see how often my hand was good on the river vs ranges that were very similar to this spot (something like 57%, getting 3:1). i think you're just stuck to call river as played at least, and im sure the changes recommended above can make life easier too.
hope my input provides food for thought!
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