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JJ in mp facing UTG and UTG+1 open shoves
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April 12, 2012 - 9:29 am
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interested in action and thought process on why to call/fold,

thanks guys

neither players are nits and both seem competent enough

 

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t600/t1200 Blinds + t125 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

BB: BB = 26.4, t31652
UTG: BB = 13.7, t16381
UTG+1: BB = 14.2, t17096
UTG+2: BB = 31.5, t37847
MP1: BB = 16.5, t19830
Hero (MP2): BB = 50.5, t60550
CO: BB = 40.6, t48752
BTN: BB = 19.0, t22784
SB: BB = 28.7, t34428

Pre Flop: (t2925) Hero is MP2 with J of hearts J of clubs
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t16971 all in, UTG+2 raises to t37722 all in, 1 fold, Hero ???

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April 12, 2012 - 1:46 pm
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easy fold imo. UTG may be shoving a pretty wide range but UTG+1 certainly is not with all the action behind him with 32 bb's. I rarely think he does with 99-1010 and he certainly doesn't do it with AJ. So a vast majority of the time you are up against AQ+ and QQ+. I think you are crushed more often than not, otherwise you are flipping. It's obv I high variance spot but I like a fold. Especially since there is a slight chance someone behind you wake up as well.

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April 13, 2012 - 9:01 am
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I think this is a definite fold for several reasons (even though i hate folding JJ).  As Jlude said UTG could definitely shove a pretty wide range and you would obviously call this without the UTG+1 re-shove.  The thing is UTG+1 has 32bbs so unless he is just a bit nuts and forgets how many people are yet to act after him he probably won't be doing this with lower pairs.  There is definitely a chance he could do this with 1010 but I would say thats the bottom of his range and you're not doing all that well vs the rest of his range which Jlude stated.  The other thing is you would also be at least 3-way in a pot with JJ which isn't really that appealing.  Imo there will be better opportunities to chip up when you are sitting with 50bbs, I would just curse a little, fold and then move on to the next one.

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April 13, 2012 - 9:49 am
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I think JJ is a fold and I agree with the above. QQ however is a spot I think we get it in here.

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April 13, 2012 - 11:48 am
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To play devil's advocate a bit, depending on the player I could see us reshipping JJ here.. if UTG2 is very competent he will know that:

 

A) UTG1's shove range is super wide

 

B) His reshove will look incredibly strong and may still have UTG1's range dominated.

 

You also have both players well covered and would still be in OK shape if you did lose the pot.

 

In this case without good reads I agree on folding JJ here, just plays like shite multiway and you're flipping at best.

 

Just IMO.

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