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JJ in 4bet pot late in tourney
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February 5, 2015 - 11:07 pm
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This is a $10 5k MTT, 46 out of about 280 left. Top 15 pays.

 

BetOnline Poker Game #1401085170: Tournament #6072943: Hold'em $400.00/$800.00 – 2015/02/05 19:50:09 PST
Table '6072943-13' 10-Max, Seat #3 is the button
Seat 4: radnar (27255.88 in chips) – Small Blind
Seat 2: JimaSaint (107499.44 in chips)
Seat 3: genebo63 (62244.25 in chips) – The button
Seat 9: busy18 (22257.44 in chips)
Seat 1: NegreaMuth (30818.72 in chips)
Seat 8: Cause7ate9 (19787.52 in chips)
Seat 6: makmantis (46192.14 in chips)
Seat 5: Zoobeast (21027.00 in chips) – Big Blind
Seat 0: philly1164 (111143.60 in chips)
radnar: posts small blind 2000.00
Zoobeast: posts big blind 4000.00
*** HOLE CARDS *** 
Dealt to radnar [Jh Jc]
makmantis: folds
Cause7ate9: folds
busy18: folds
philly1164: raises 16000.00 to 16000.00
NegreaMuth: raises 30818.72 to 30818.72 and is all in
JimaSaint: calls 30818.72
genebo63: folds
radnar: ?????
 
Sorry the HH layout sucks, go by the seat numbers.
The structure sucks on this site, 8min blind levels everyone has pretty short stacks=very shovey/luckbox games near the end. Still I want to play well. No HUDs, no real reads.
 
Is this a call
 
thx
 
 
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February 5, 2015 - 11:15 pm
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Unfortunately, as pretty as JJ is here, it's probably good to let it go. We are in the “danger zone”, but with the UTG raiser getting great odds to call, I don't see him folding. JJ doesn't play well 4 way.

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February 5, 2015 - 11:32 pm
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agree with quads, 30 plus BB,  Wait for a better spot.

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February 5, 2015 - 11:41 pm
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Sorry I don't know why the HH is so stupid at the top like that. Lower in HH it shows the SB/BB, 2k/4k. I pretty much hate this site but USA options are limited.

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I should add that because of the structure (8min blind levels) I think Jimasaint was in the top 3 in chips with 107k. Everyone at the end of tourney is pretty shorty.

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Only have 7BB, but with the structure being what it is, I think it's a fold.

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Yeah I think if you get it in here you are a massive underdog.  As tempting as it is I think it's best to lay them down.

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If you're 7bb deep it's a call, you don't have room to wait for a better hand.  I would only consider folding this hand if I was sure the bubble will most likely burst before the blinds come around, but that's not happening any time soon.  At 30bb the only thing that would stop me from over shoving is if I had a very good reason to think either Jimasaint or Philly were overly strong.

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Technically this is a 3b shove with an overcall, as opposed to a 4b pot. 

The 4x open is… interesting. I'm just going to assume Philly is a fish, so we really won't be able to dredge up a lot without previous history on his range. 

Lets consider the shove and caller ranges though. The 8BB stack is really likely to just show up with everything shoveable here. Seriously like 22+/A8s+/ATos+/Broadways. The overcall is going to be more weighted to 77+/AJ+/KQ and maybe some more less than stellar hands. It is interesting that he just flats though, instead of shoving for isolation. That's going to lead me to put him more at the top of his range, as if he's hoping that Philly reshoves. Again, that's dependent on player skill.

Sadly, with 7BB we can't ever fold JJ. Best case scenario, they both have AK or underpairs. Worst case we run into AA. We just don't have the stack to fold JJ here. If we had 18+BB, then we can fold. Anything between 7-18BB is a situational spot that is dependant on players images and game flow.

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