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June 9, 2013
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I got myself in a tricky spot here and wasn't sure what the correct line would be here. Firstly I think my 3bet was a bit too small but I mainly want to know if I should be jamming or folding here.
Over a small sample of 20 hands the villain is running 24/24 with a 0% 3 &4 betting.
Based on stack sizes I thought his 4bet looks pretty strong considering he commits almost half his stack, rather than shoving. I figured he would shove hands like AT,KQ, 77-TT here to take it down, but by four betting this size he is playing hands like QQ+, AK and trying to induce a shove from me.
Is this a bit too nitty or are others finding a fold here in this spot?
Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t125/t250 Blinds + t30 – 9 players – View hand 2280531
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
steal888 (UTG+1): BB = 115.6, t28905
5AULIU5 (UTG+2): BB = 30.8, t7704
DarVin mOO9 (MP1): BB = 14.5, t3618
Hero (MP2): BB = 31.9, t7965
many_for_me (CO): BB = 21.2, t5309
chaman noir (BTN): BB = 59.9, t14966
missmata (SB): BB = 49.1, t12285
rojorulez (BB): BB = 55.9, t13970
munfei85 (UTG): BB = 13.9, t3468
Pre Flop: (t645) Hero is MP2 with J
J
2 folds, 5AULIU5 raises to t575, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1250, 4 folds, 5AULIU5 raises to t3000, 1 fold
Cheers in advance
July 3, 2010
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I think I would have flatted pre but given the action in the hand, do you ever see lower pairs playing this way here?
I'm pretty sure you managed to answer your own question which is always a good thing.
Flatting was probably a better play pre-flop but folding here > jamming > flatting in my opinion.
June 9, 2013
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Ye I see what you mean by flatting here, especially with position.
Out of interest would you be 3bet/jamming QQ or AK in this scenario?
Given my stack size I can't see myself getting away from QQ here though I would probably fold AK and look for a better spot
May 30, 2012
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I agree with Coolers…… I would flat pre. QQ – AK I'm shipping it pre. Obv he's doing that with something BIG
July 3, 2010
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I wouldn't 3 bet ship any hand here.
I'd definitely make a normal sized 3 bet with QQ+ and AK – probably something like 1345 to 1445 for sizing.
Some people may say that sizing is too big but it's to lower SPR with our effective stacks.
The mistake I see a lot is not adjusting bet and raise sizes for different stack sizes.
Doing something like a click it back 40+ bb deep is usually asking for trouble.
May 30, 2012
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Coolers is def more right then I am. My online game is way off and not currect, lol.
July 27, 2013
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It´s really unlikely that he has something worst than JJ so to me it´s a fold.
I don´t mind the 3bet preflop but if he is a tight player it would be better to just call pre and play in position post flop.
June 11, 2012
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i happily 3bet/call TT(99)+,AQs+,AKo with 30bb
pair wise we could prob even go lower.
do some easy math and you will see it
without read to his non jam 4bet i nit fold.
May 1, 2013
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im folding jj to his 4 bet but if he has aa qq kk why not just ship it looks way weaker some guys lose so much value with min click back
July 3, 2010
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Clicking it back at least gives bad players and overly aggressive players the chance to make a fundamental error, is how I think a lot of people look at it.
When you shove, the decisions become a lot easier.
You can argue either way because I think in this particular spot a shove or a 4 bet looks like a nutted range but some people are on the side of the fence that says inducing is always slightly better because someone could make a bad mistake with a hand like 99 whereas someone is almost never calling off with 99 vs a 4 bet jam from a utg+2 player.
I'll say this, though. I see a lot of regs click it back with the wrong types of hands and they end up inducing flips they really shouldn't have wanted to take in the first place when they could have made a different decision and won the pot without seeing a flop.
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