June 9, 2013
I got myself in a tricky spot here and wasn't sure what the correct line would be here. Firstly I think my 3bet was a bit too small but I mainly want to know if I should be jamming or folding here.
Over a small sample of 20 hands the villain is running 24/24 with a 0% 3 &4 betting.
Based on stack sizes I thought his 4bet looks pretty strong considering he commits almost half his stack, rather than shoving. I figured he would shove hands like AT,KQ, 77-TT here to take it down, but by four betting this size he is playing hands like QQ+, AK and trying to induce a shove from me.
Is this a bit too nitty or are others finding a fold here in this spot?
Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t125/t250 Blinds + t30 – 9 players – View hand 2280531
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
steal888 (UTG+1): BB = 115.6, t28905
5AULIU5 (UTG+2): BB = 30.8, t7704
DarVin mOO9 (MP1): BB = 14.5, t3618
Hero (MP2): BB = 31.9, t7965
many_for_me (CO): BB = 21.2, t5309
chaman noir (BTN): BB = 59.9, t14966
missmata (SB): BB = 49.1, t12285
rojorulez (BB): BB = 55.9, t13970
munfei85 (UTG): BB = 13.9, t3468
Pre Flop: (t645) Hero is MP2 with J J
2 folds, 5AULIU5 raises to t575, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1250, 4 folds, 5AULIU5 raises to t3000, 1 fold
Cheers in advance
July 3, 2010
I think I would have flatted pre but given the action in the hand, do you ever see lower pairs playing this way here?
I'm pretty sure you managed to answer your own question which is always a good thing.
Flatting was probably a better play pre-flop but folding here > jamming > flatting in my opinion.
May 30, 2012
July 3, 2010
I wouldn't 3 bet ship any hand here.
I'd definitely make a normal sized 3 bet with QQ+ and AK – probably something like 1345 to 1445 for sizing.
Some people may say that sizing is too big but it's to lower SPR with our effective stacks.
The mistake I see a lot is not adjusting bet and raise sizes for different stack sizes.
Doing something like a click it back 40+ bb deep is usually asking for trouble.
May 30, 2012
July 3, 2010
Clicking it back at least gives bad players and overly aggressive players the chance to make a fundamental error, is how I think a lot of people look at it.
When you shove, the decisions become a lot easier.
You can argue either way because I think in this particular spot a shove or a 4 bet looks like a nutted range but some people are on the side of the fence that says inducing is always slightly better because someone could make a bad mistake with a hand like 99 whereas someone is almost never calling off with 99 vs a 4 bet jam from a utg+2 player.
I'll say this, though. I see a lot of regs click it back with the wrong types of hands and they end up inducing flips they really shouldn't have wanted to take in the first place when they could have made a different decision and won the pot without seeing a flop.
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