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JJ Facing 4 bet shove from UTG raiser
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Killingbird
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December 29, 2010 - 2:41 am
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This is the Stars $18K GTD.  Villain has been reasonably active but has not shown down anything but good hands.  53 people left at this point so we are pretty well in to the money.

 

I assume the 3 bet is ok?  and now what?

 

Poker Stars $30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t600/t1200 Blinds + t125 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Topper 56 (BB): BB = 16.2, t19485
RiLeVa (UTG): BB = 31.6, t37952
davmag (UTG+1): BB = 14.9, t17907
mabrocchi (UTG+2): BB = 58.7, t70420
JVSOTP (MP1): BB = 81.2, t97387
rizniles (MP2): BB = 12.6, t15104
Martay (CO): BB = 35.5, t42660
redwaldo8 (BTN): BB = 13.7, t16393
Hero (SB): BB = 30.5, t36597

Pre Flop: (t2925) Hero is SB with J of spades J of hearts
RiLeVa raises to t2800, 6 folds, Hero raises to t7099, 1 fold, RiLeVa raises to t37827 all in

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It's very close. Basically comes down to ranging him. If he's JJ+, AKo, AQs+ then it's a close fold. If it's TT+, AK it's a call.

 

Here's my math for TT+, AK (you have 43% vs this range)

 

Pot 49998

Your Stack 29373

BB 1200

Effective

Stack 29373

Win % 43.00%

Lose % 57.00%

Pot Odds 37.01%

 

 If we call and win 75269

If we call and lose 0

 

EV of a Call 32366

EV of a Fold 29373

Net EV of a Shove 2993

 

EV as % of Stack 10.19%

EV as # of BBs 2.49

Risk of Busto 57.00%

 

If you take TT out of his range then you have 37% equity and just slightly -EV.

 

I'd probably be willing to gamble here.

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I probably gamble here and get it in. Guy COULD have a smaller pair 77,88,99,1010 and you have him crushed. He COULD also have QQ,KK,AA and have you crushed but even 20% of the time you suckout and win. I would have called. If I have QQ here i'm never folding and there are only 3 hands in the whole deck that you are losing to pre. Smells like AK(s) to me.

tough spot but this day and age with the aggressive nature of poker I say go for it.

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Your own image is probably pretty tight based on how you play on average and that's what matters more here. If you haven't been actively 3 betting I almost instamuck JJ in this spot.

If you have been active it's a whole 'nother story.

You play tight and raised OOP – he knows you have some strength here. Pretty sure we discard TT from his range and discard our JJ to the muck.

Also, I'd just jam if you're unsure about how you'll react to a 4 bet. You don't really have a 3bet/fold stack and I wouldn't want to get flatted here, either.

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fwiw, i tank called.  It was AK and i somehow held.  smile

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If we are going to 3b here I think we have to be willing to 3b/call otherwise we are turning JJ into a bluff.  I'd just try and decide beforehand what our intentions are before we 3b the utg opener.  I would go ahead and 3b/call here but a lot depends on our image as well as opponent.

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