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JJ Early position then 4 bet

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January 31, 2013 - 4:36 am

Hey Guys came accross this spot tonight and similar spots just seem to keep occuring and would love some thoughts on what I should be doing here.

Only moved to table 3 hands prior so no reads/stats on any players so should i be waiting a few more rounds for more info?

is it worth calling ~2000 more for the ~4300 already in the pot this early in the tourney if so;

Are Jacks really strong enough in a four bet pot with 2 all ins?

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T50/T100
Buy-in: $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit
PokerStars
9 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com – Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG – Hero (T2,550)
UTG+1 – UTG+1 (T7,994)
UTG+2 – UTG+2 (T1,310)
MP – MP (T8,765)
MP2 – MP2 (T13,705)
CO – CO (T2,175)
BTN – BTN (T2,700)
SB – SB (T2,630)
BB – BB (T2,945)

Preflop: (T150, 9 players) Hero is UTG with J♥J♦

Hero raises to T330, UTG+1 calls T330,

UTG+2 raises to T1,310 (all-in), 2 folds,

CO raises to T2,175 (all-in), 3 folds,

HERO??

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January 31, 2013 - 3:12 pm

is this a small field or large field MTT?

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January 31, 2013 - 6:55 pm

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January 31, 2013 - 10:11 pm

I think your opening too big, but yeah sure seems like a fold to an unknown. The only hands i think your beating in his range right now are 10s and maaaybe 9s. Everything else your crushed or flipping with. Maybe i sound like a super nit here but i fold here in regular tournements and call off in the turbos.

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February 1, 2013 - 3:26 am

To me this seems to be the lowest end of your upper tier hands ….that being said i cannot fathom more than min raising UTG [especially without reads] as only a means of semi pushing ppl off of marginal hands….

In this case, you have seen ultimate commitment in response to a solid 3.3 UTG raise.. this screams fold to me in this spot

outta curiousity why did you raise to 3.3x utg?

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February 1, 2013 - 7:34 pm

You know in all honesty I'm not sure why i opened so big, didnt even realise it until you guys pointed it out here. I must've thought the BB was 150 and not 100, i dont usually raise more than 2.5x UTG so obviously I need to concentrate a little more.

thanks for the thoughts guys

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February 1, 2013 - 8:25 pm

Is there not a case here that the CO Jam is isolating with a hand we're flipping against and therefore gives us a side pot to win for a possible insurance? Also the 2 AI's can have blockers to each others outs, and you can be crushing the 1st jam with a lower pair. As I do lean on the nitter side I probs do fold here but I don't hate a call to get yourself a decent stack. You are on 25 bigs and this maybe a decent gamble time.

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February 1, 2013 - 9:27 pm

Issue is, I think to myself…..shorty is shoving any A any pair and the last guy is simply iso shoving, so I COULD be ahead here. And I am right, I COULD be ahead here, and talk myself into a crying call. Problem is 9 out of 10 times I am dominated.

I am trying to learn to fold in this spot, not worth the risk….still trying to drill it in my head!

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February 2, 2013 - 9:39 am

The thought they were in Jamming with AK-AJ or lower pairs did enter my head and therefore were taking each others outs, but the fact there are 2 all ins meant I was definately flipping against at least one (thought maybe the bigger stack had a weaker hand due to the iso rather than a flat) but either way was happy to fold and let them fight it out, but i really hate doing it.

Queens and higher I call but there is just something about Jacks…

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February 3, 2013 - 1:16 pm

This is probably the weakest hand I call off with.

I think we're in decent shape often enough vs. a worse pair and broadways or two unpaired broadways. I also don't like grinding 20 bb pre-antes in $10 mtt's so there's the oi factor to consider.

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