Def an uncomfortable spot. Maybe on the turn as opposed to calling, min raising to recover from lost to overpair to Tricky  maybe getting a call from a pair with draws from. Tenn to offset loss if you are correct on your reads. Just a thought as I don't envy you here.

Ironically, I am playing in it now.  I am looking over the blind structure between this and a regular tourney, and it's not the same.  It's the same  up until 120/240, but then it starts to differ.  At level 12 the increments are slower to jump up (super deep stack) than the normal tourneys at this level.  I can't remember if I have gone very deep in one of these before, so I will pay attention to it now that I am concentrating on this stuff and see what the stack sizes are if and when I make a FT in one of these.

I made this last year some time (not sure if it is current) and you can see the obvious differences between the sites:

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The UTG player has 11bb here not 20. If your read is that UTG always has AA here then fold preflop. If you have any doubt and want to play the hand anyway then I would isolate him preflop. I Make it 10k and don’t invite the blinds into the party. That way if your raised from the blinds you can fold knowing he likely has a monster to be cold 4betting. By flatting your inviting the blinds in with almost any 2

On the flop, the min donk bet is saying ‘I have a small piece and want a cheap turn card’. The raise to 6500 by the preflop raiser screams strength to me considering your still left to act and the amount in the pot already. He just wouldn’t bet like this unless he was super confident of his hand. If you still believe the UTG raiser could be bluffing (based on a soul read) the you need to raise to get the BB off his likely draw or pair & draw.

This truly is one of the funniest things I have ever read:

a) Do NOT post bad beats:

Step away from the keyboard. No one cares. Your bad beat is not special.
We've all had ‘em. I don’t care if someone runner runner runner
runner'd your quads with a straight flush. My dog doesn’t care either.
My cat might, but he's a donk. Cliffs notes version: Don’t post bad
beats, we don’t care.

That's so awesome that you put that up as rule #1.  I think I might like to take your cat out for a drink if that's ok?  LMAO

Question:  Do you think there will ever be a hand replayer attached to the converter?  I have read so many hand histories over the years, but I still don't get the same feel for everything as I do seeing it on the table itself played out.  Sometimes it takes me a while to really get my mind around what is happening in the hand history regardless of it's format, and I overlook certain aspects of the hand if I don't see it on the table.  Not sure if it's my ADD or I am just an idiot, but it's been one of my biggest downfalls since I have been playing.  One of the best things that ever happened to this donkey's poker life was when replayers came out.  I have had other people send me HH's and I instantly turn to Universal player to look at it.

Just curious, thanks!  Oh, sorry for putting the results in my post…I hadn't read your rules prior to posting.  Let me know about the cat thing 😉

FkCoolers said:

Jam pre unless you have a dead on read – but folding JJ pre is so weak … your read would need to be like 98% accurate.

My reads are actually pretty sick, and I knew it in my heart that I was beat pre…however, my mechanical instincts where just the same line of thinking that you stated, “…folding JJ pre is so weak.”  If this had been any other player other than someone that is 12/10 with 10 bb's I am jamming in a heartbeat.  Someone that is as aggressive as this, tight as this, and probably with these numbers is NEVER min raising with 10 bb's utg, and further it is safe to assume with his numbers he prob knows ICM.  What other hand beside KK+ could he possibly be doing this with that he is not afraid of seeing a flop with someone??  So yes, I agree folding JJ here in “most” situations is absolutely a weak play and that's why I just couldn't get myself to walk away from it.  When the actual two cards are starring you in the face, and look soooooooo pretty like that, I defaulted to mechanics instead of trusting my read because I didn't have enough discipline to lay it down.  Not only could I not lay it down, but I completely deverted from what I would normally do 100 % of the time which is 3 bet (or shove) and just flatted the call.  Flat?!?!?!?  I never flat anything at these stages!  Shit or get off the pot…raise or fold….period!

I really do rely on my ability to not only read a player, but read the table dynamics as well.  So what will I do next time?  Let's take it up a step…what if it was QQ the next time??  Will it look even more prettier and even harder for me to lay down??  LOL 

FkCoolers said:

Focus on putting people on a range of hands – not a specific hand. 

AA is just part of a range which is why we don't fold JJ or QQ. 

Agreed, and I do for sure…but when you can further narrow his range down because you have been given more information in a game of incomplete information it can be life or death sometimes yes?  Based off the specifics in this hand, not the general optimal play here….aren't you drawing to a 2 outer probably 90% of the time in this spot? (assuming you have descent range and hand reading abilities)  I mean if I was going over a hand history with a newb and this situation came up, I would tell him just jam 100% of the time.  I think you definitely have to take into account the players abilities rather than say just jamming here 100% of the time is the best play because if not, I am losing a majority of my stack 80% of the time in this exact spot.  Yes, no?  Just my thoughts 🙂
 

Not trying to be argumentative…just trying to gain help in processing… 

Eske said:

With the information about UTG you gave in the first post. This is always a push and twice on sundays.

 

You can't put UTG´s range to KK+ with the information “no major history with player”.

He could be a donk. Seeing the blinds coming and want to steal the pot. Some say that UTG is the new buttom  He could be money scared and afraid of risking his tournament life with A10 from UTG. But think it is too good to fold. We don't no. So in this situation with 10bb effective JJ is a monster. And you will still have 20BB left if you loose. So push to isolate.

 

If you want a more accurate analysis of your HH. You should tell something more. Table dynamics, statistics, etc

Agreed…will work on that.  I think my terminology is off and will focus on working on that.  I take extensive notes on people, so when I referred to “no history” I should of said, “no notes.”  It was very late and I went about the whole post all wrong.  I am also not use to talking to people that understand the statistics like I do, so I will definitely give more detailed information moving forward. 

It's a lerning experience for me trying to talk with you all.  I have to admit, I am a little blown away at how advanced most of you are and completely not use to it.  I spent some time in the chat yesterday while everyone was grinding and was absolutely amazed at the level of skill, vocabulary, abilitity, and dedication some of you have (and I am not talking about the pros).  I am not use to people understanding HUD information the way I do either.  

I will figure out how to communicate effectively with you all as time goes on…just be patient with me 🙂